Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[JM4CY]

 

[FriendlySpartan]

But if we are moving to a P2, winning the brand battle will mean more TV rights money. Right now the Big10/SEC are basically even in the $60-65M range. Plus, if the Big10 was willing to add just USC/UCLA, that tells me being a national conference is their primary goal.

Meanwhile, the SEC is content being a regional conference.

Lastly, BTN carriage fees have been a big push for recent Big10 expansion with Rutgers (NY), Maryland (DC) and USC/UCLA (LA). Why wouldn't the Big10 continue that strategic push and develop a presence in Florida? Florida = Print More Big10 Money!

Because the big ten doesn’t own the majority of BTN anymore and those carriage fees aren’t what they were. Also the presidents don’t want a P2. That is a media and message board narrative. They added the LA schools because it is a perfect fit of academics, athletics, politics, and market. Could it happen one day, sure, but there is zero rush for the big ten or sec to make a move. Especially since they are still trying to figure out how to integrate the LA schools.

 

[isucy86]

So there's a good chance Arizona State and Utah will end up joining the Big 12 after all, but only because they have no other acceptable option. They love to look down their noses at the Big 12 and they've been very vocal about it.

I say screw them. I'd rather we rent OR and WA for the next several years or we stand pat at 14 than take those two arrogant schools. Let them make $8/million per year on the MWC.

Different Strokes/Different Folks!

Obviously, what motivates CU vs ASU is different. Just because ASU and Utah have been very outspoken about staying in the Pac12, doesn't mean they would be a bad fit for the Big12.

ASU, Utah and other Pac12 schools are motivated to stay in the Pac12. Is that loyalty to a fault? Is it financially motivated? It's probably both. The Pac12 is in the middle of a media rights negotiation, I would think ASU and Utah want to be committed to that process, to maximize the potential value of a Pac12 media deal.

Nothing wrong with being 100% committed. ASU & Utah have too much media value for the Big12 not to add.

 

[isucy86]

Because the big ten doesn’t own the majority of BTN anymore and those carriage fees aren’t what they were. Also the presidents don’t want a P2. That is a media and message board narrative. They added the LA schools because it is a perfect fit of academics, athletics, politics, and market. Could it happen one day, sure, but there is zero rush for the big ten or sec to make a move. Especially since they are still trying to figure out how to integrate the LA schools.

Explain that a bit.

In industry articles carriage fees were a big reason for Big10 adding both USC & UCLA. There was a carriage multiplier for 2 schools in a geographic area with 17M+ people.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Explain that a bit.

In industry articles carriage fees were a big reason for Big10 adding both USC & UCLA. There was a carriage multiplier for 2 schools in a geographic area with 17M+ people.

You want to share a link for that?

 

[HFCS]

I guess I’m surprised so many agree with your take…no offense. Colorado certainly isn’t one of the most valuable Pac12 schools. They were the piece we were most likely to get. If they don’t make the house fall and net us another better piece, I think it’s reasonable to have wondered if the Big 12 should have waited. (Note that I don’t think this will be an issue.). If we were to end up with a G5 school, you’ve possibly watered down the league with two bottom half teams (a la the Big 10 adding Maryland and Rutgers). You can’t tell me they wouldn’t like those spots back. Washington and Oregon would clearly be better adds.

You can’t say “clearly” until they’ve had a full 5-10 years of b10 rejection and we go through ACC implosion with them still left out.

I guess they’d be better in that the Pac would be 100% crushed instead of 50% crushed but you just can’t say they’d be far better 10 years from now unless you know they get a hard “never” from B10.

 

[CyGuy5]

Big 10 adding four schools?

JacMac is a clown

 

[JHUNSY]

Who is David Blattman and do we trust him?

 

[JHUNSY]

Also, Jim Williams with a little lead here (not sure if he’s sourced though or just reading various Twitter accounts):

 

[enisthemenace]

I guess I’m surprised so many agree with your take…no offense. Colorado certainly isn’t one of the most valuable Pac12 schools. They were the piece we were most likely to get. If they don’t make the house fall and net us another better piece, I think it’s reasonable to have wondered if the Big 12 should have waited. (Note that I don’t think this will be an issue.). If we were to end up with a G5 school, you’ve possibly watered down the league with two bottom half teams (a la the Big 10 adding Maryland and Rutgers). You can’t tell me they wouldn’t like those spots back. Washington and Oregon would clearly be better adds.

I agree with the bold. Personally, I love the CU add. I have a lot of personal connections to Colorado and love to visit. Them being back in the Big12 is great. HOWEVER, if they end up being the only Pac12 school to make the jump, this whole thing is close to a failure, in my opinion. CU just doesn’t move the needle on their own. If no other PAC school joins them, we have to elevate UCONN (or some other ******** entity, but most likely UCONN), and no Big12 fan should want that.

If Arizona joins CU, then this whole thing is good. Still not great though, in my opinion.

We need 4 schools from the PAC to make this whole thing a slam dunk. OR and WA would be sexier, but ASU and Utah would be (almost) just as effective.

 

[mj4cy]

I guess I’m surprised so many agree with your take…no offense. Colorado certainly isn’t one of the most valuable Pac12 schools. They were the piece we were most likely to get. If they don’t make the house fall and net us another better piece, I think it’s reasonable to have wondered if the Big 12 should have waited. (Note that I don’t think this will be an issue.). If we were to end up with a G5 school, you’ve possibly watered down the league with two bottom half teams (a la the Big 10 adding Maryland and Rutgers). You can’t tell me they wouldn’t like those spots back. Washington and Oregon would clearly be better adds.

I guess my point was a few years back we were hours from being out of the P5 for good and relegated to a G5 conference. Anything above that is a win.

 

[Cloneon]

Also, Jim Williams with a little lead here (not sure if he’s sourced though or just reading various Twitter accounts):

Why would UT 'monitor' ASU when there's absolutely no correlation on the L.A. connection between the two schools. Or am I unaware of a UT satellite campus in L.A. too?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Why would UT 'monitor' ASU when there's absolutely no correlation on the L.A. connection between the two schools. Or am I unaware of a UT satellite campus in L.A. too?

Pretty sure this is what they are talking about https://california.asu.edu/

 

[KnappShack]

Different Strokes/Different Folks!

Obviously, what motivates CU vs ASU is different. Just because ASU and Utah have been very outspoken about staying in the Pac12, doesn't mean they would be a bad fit for the Big12.

ASU, Utah and other Pac12 schools are motivated to stay in the Pac12. Is that loyalty to a fault? Is it financially motivated? It's probably both. The Pac12 is in the middle of a media rights negotiation, I would think ASU and Utah want to be committed to that process, to maximize the potential value of a Pac12 media deal.

Nothing wrong with being 100% committed. ASU & Utah have too much media value for the Big12 not to add.

Anyone have a link to what Crow said about the Big 12?

 

[Clonehomer]

Why would UT 'monitor' ASU when there's absolutely no correlation on the L.A. connection between the two schools. Or am I unaware of a UT satellite campus in L.A. too?

Why do people think this is ASU’s choice? Our media partners said to hold at 14. And Fox may not pay for them to join. Is ASU big enough to take a pay cut for the other 14 schools?

 

[Stormin]

Why would UT 'monitor' ASU when there's absolutely no correlation on the L.A. connection between the two schools. Or am I unaware of a UT satellite campus in L.A. too?

ASU may end up taking their time to a Mountain West affiliation. Utah as well.

 

[Cloneon]

Pretty sure this is what they are talking about https://california.asu.edu/

I get that, but why is that a reason for UT to hold pat? Unless there are numbers to make the Pac12 viable even 'after' AZ leaves. Which, to me, seems ludicrous.
[edit] Per CloneHomer, it's media partner's control.

 

[PickSix]

Also, Jim Williams with a little lead here (not sure if he’s sourced though or just reading various Twitter accounts):

Do they realize that the PAC no longer has a presence in LA? Not sure I understand the reasoning...

 

[MugNight]

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Also, Jim Williams with a little lead here (not sure if he’s sourced though or just reading various Twitter accounts):

Interesting. I know that UA and ASU have been aggressive about online degrees. UA in particular markets itself heavily to veterans.

I just looked it up and ASU has 57k online students, with total enrollment of about 135k for all campuses. That is a massive number. Their online MBA is generally well ranked.

I’m interested in how this data impacts value and projections with all of this.

 

[HFCS]

Why would UT 'monitor' ASU when there's absolutely no correlation on the L.A. connection between the two schools. Or am I unaware of a UT satellite campus in L.A. too?

I’ve lived in LA for 8.5 years and had no clue ASU had an LA campus.

If there’s a publicity issue it has nothing to do with PAC 12 sports helping their marketing.