Retirement Targets

Stormin

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3 years if they make it that long. Americans are dying sooner than our counterparts in the western world.

Hardly anyone has $1 million saved up when they retire. This is a real attack on the safety net for seniors

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Stormin

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But honestly if someone came up to me and offered me Gates or Buffett type money…or $4 million. I’d take $4 million every time. That’s too much money…too many headaches. I don’t want it. I think $10 million is about ideal, but I’d rather have 4 mil than billions.

Keep $4 million. Make thousands of others happy with your gift of $1 million to each of them.
 

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But honestly if someone came up to me and offered me Gates or Buffett type money…or $4 million. I’d take $4 million every time. That’s too much money…too many headaches. I don’t want it. I think $10 million is about ideal, but I’d rather have 4 mil than billions.
I’d be ok with the billions. Create jobs, boost charitable work, all on investments that generate the income to do so in perpetuity. I don’t need a lot to be happy so for me, it would be about creating opportunities for others on this gift and giving me more freedom to pursue my other passions.
 

CycloneSpinning

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Keep $4 million. Make thousands of others happy with your gift of $1 million to each of them.
Still not interested, but I would applaud you if you were to do that. The scale of that is more than I’m interested in.

Consider this…you could give 100,000 people a million dollars. That’s probably just about every household in the Des Moines metro. If you gave 1% of your net worth to ISU, you would double the ISU endowment. More stunning than that, keep all the money…one year of dividends if your money was in the S&P 500 would more than double that endowment.

You could fund the entire current athletic department with .1% of your net worth.

Again, I think the scale is just unfathomable. You would struggle to get rid of it.
 
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cyfan92

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Still not interested, but I would applaud you if you were to do that. The scale of that is more than I’m interested in.

Consider this…you could give 100,000 people a million dollars. That’s probably just about every household in the Des Moines metro. If you gave 1% of your net worth to ISU, you would double the ISU endowment. More stunning than that, keep all the money…one year of dividends if your money was in the S&P 500 would more than double that endowment.

You could fund the entire current athletic department with .1% of your net worth.

Again, I think the scale is just unfathomable. You would struggle to get rid of it.

"But Berkshire’s soaring stock is making it hard for Buffett to make good on his pledge—he’s still worth more than twice what he was 16 years ago."

It is almost impossible to give away all your money when you reach billionaire status. Between the due diligence of causes, time it takes to orchestrate such transactions, and manage your everyday life and responsibilities...
 

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"But Berkshire’s soaring stock is making it hard for Buffett to make good on his pledge—he’s still worth more than twice what he was 16 years ago."

It is almost impossible to give away all your money when you reach billionaire status. Between the due diligence of causes, time it takes to orchestrate such transactions, and manage your everyday life and responsibilities...
It makes sense. It really is a remarkable amount of money. I know averages don’t work on a daily basis, but if his money generated an average return (and it’s Buffett…so he does better). He would have to give away $20 million every day…just to keep it from growing.

I’m sure I could keep going…but I’ll stop.
 
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Everyone has their own habits and plans, but I'm trying to make sure to enjoy life before health issues arise.

So many issues in my family and friends in their 40s-70s+: death, cancer, bad backs/hips/knees/eyes, strokes, etc. I don't want to save all this money and then be too old/disabled to travel and enjoy life in my 70s. and beyond.

what's that cliche? "When you're young you wish you had more money and when you're old you wish you had more time?"

Hopefully I can retire by 60 and be broke by 80. My kids can fend for themselves.
 

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"But Berkshire’s soaring stock is making it hard for Buffett to make good on his pledge—he’s still worth more than twice what he was 16 years ago."

It is almost impossible to give away all your money when you reach billionaire status. Between the due diligence of causes, time it takes to orchestrate such transactions, and manage your everyday life and responsibilities...

MacKenzie Scott is having a really nice go at it.
 
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A lot of the people that were investing heavily in Enron worked there, their retirement accounts were with the company. Enron is an example for any investor, ride the wave, but always be prepared to jump out. You are looking for long term gains, not get rich quick schemes.
Again anyone dumb enough to do that gets what they deserve.
 

pulse

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Most of her wealth is in AMZN stock, which is down 40% since the COVID peaks. That has cut into her wealth A LOT more than giving
I’m not sure if you’re completely missing the point. She may the most generous person on the planet. She actually is giving away billions, without any sort of effort. I don’t think billionaires actually want to give away their wealth, they just say they do. She’s actually doing it.
 

cyfan92

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Just have to hire some folks to run a foundation for you.

Having a family office is better than the B&M Gates Foundation.. They had over $2B in "profit" for 2020 and paid execs millions rather than giving it away.

I’m not sure if you’re completely missing the point. She may the most generous person on the planet. She actually is giving away billions, without any sort of effort. I don’t think billionaires actually want to give away their wealth, they just say they do. She’s actually doing it.


Mackenzie Scott is the closest thing we have to a truly charitable billionaire.. But she isn't giving it away without effort... She just doesn't have 50 overpaid execs making $1M+ at her foundation..


She received $38B in the divorce and has given away ~$14B. If AMZN stock followed the S&P 500, that settlement would be worth about $57B, instead of the $43B it is today (imagine if AMZN paid a dividend). Forbes says she is worth $27B today.. So if you added in the $14B of underperformance by AMZN, she'd be worth ~$41B (57-14), even after giving away $14B in ~4 years.. That's a $3B net gain showing her loss in wealth is mainly thanks to AMZN being a BIG underperformer than her net worth is falling.
 

SEIOWA CLONE

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Again anyone dumb enough to do that gets what they deserve.
True, but most of the billionaires did exactly that, hold a few stock that perform very well, and stay along for the ride. Index funds are the way to lessen risk, but your are never going to make millions off an index fund, which is the goal of many.
 

Bobber

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I retired at 18 months ago at 56 years old. My savings were approximately 16 times my income when I retired. Using the 4 percent rule, my savings were sufficient to replace 75 percent of my pre-retirement income, which is all you need. That’s because you won’t be paying FICA tax or making 401K contributions when retired. Consequently, 15 times your salary would be a good retirement savings goal. Below are my recommendations based on what I learned over the past three decades:

  1. Save 20 percent of your income. This includes any company match. Hence if your company matches 6 percent, you only have to put in 14 percent. I know that sounds like a lot, but find a way to do it if you can. That may include making sacrifices in other areas.
  2. Invest in index funds instead of actively managed funds. Also, invest as much in equities as you can stomach (80-100 percent).
  3. Invest in a Roth 401K instead of a tax deferred 401K if your employer offers this option. The future tax savings will be tremendous and you likely won’t miss todays tax savings from a traditional tax deferred 401K after a year or two.
  4. Invest the maximum in a Roth IRA each year ($6,500 currently) for you and your spouse each year. This amount is included in the 20 percent goal that I mentioned above.
If you follow these steps, I promise you will have a very comfortable retirement and will be able to hang it up sooner than you thought. Retirement saving is not difficult, it just takes discipline.

I am not a financial planner, but am well-versed on the subject from lots of reading and years of experience. Anyone can PM me if they want some free advice as this is something that I am passionate about and love helping others achieve their goals.
Very good advice. Agree 100%
 

Bipolarcy

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I’d be ok with the billions. Create jobs, boost charitable work, all on investments that generate the income to do so in perpetuity. I don’t need a lot to be happy so for me, it would be about creating opportunities for others on this gift and giving me more freedom to pursue my other passions.
I have dreams of winning a billion dollar lottery, lump sum after taxes and using a lot of that money to bring industry, jobs, infrastructure and business to my dying home town, where I haven't lived for at least 35 years. Probably not a very good business model because that town is down to less than 500 people right now with no school
 
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Bobber

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Just curious:

What age plan to retire?

What amount plan to have saved by that age?

Just curious as to when people plan to punch out for the last time and what the savings targets are. I know it varies by what you want to be able to do in retirement and health condition at that point, but just curious in general as to the two questions above.
67 is mandatory retirement at my company. That's my plan. That's a ways off for me and while I could retire now, have no desire to. I enjoy working and want to give as much back to my company as I can.

My secret to success has always been living below my means, saving as much as possible and trying to keep life simple.

There is a lot of good advice in this thread. Don't sweat the details and take time to enjoy life with family and friends. The people I see who have the most regrets are the ones who never made time to do those simple things.
 

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