Ben Bruns KU Game Recap on Iowa Everywhere

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I hope we get Norton back too, but as fans I wouldn't count on it. More than likely Norton and Remsburg look like they will be the infamous CMC's "day to day" for the rest of the year.

I hope Brock isn't also in that category. Anyone have any idea what happened to him? He had the one run, but got up from that fine and was walking back to the huddle just fine. And then he was out there I believe for one more play, which was a pass play and it looked like he didn't even come in contact with anyone on that play.... and then he was never seen again and Silas was in.
I believe I saw JB got the kiss-of-death "day to day" assessment. Not good.
 

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And I would just caution people that the Kansas game was 4.01 yards per play. It was far worse that 4.37 yds per play against Kansas State in 2019. It is the worst performance ypp under Manning. I say that as a reminder that the KU performance can be bad and still not jump to the conclusion that our offense has “underachieved” under Manning. That quite frankly isn’t true and I would argue that any team playing the best one or two teams in their conference are going to see reduced numbers. Oklahoma’s offense was substantially worse ypp when they played our defense as an example.
 
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Quick question. For those that are the most upset, what were your expectations, honest expectations before the year started for wins. We were tagged as a 6.5 O/U in Vegas IIRC. Most of the people at the beginning was talking 5-7 wins. What were people expecting at the beginning?
 

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Quick question. For those that are the most upset, what were your expectations, honest expectations before the year started for wins. We were tagged as a 6.5 O/U in Vegas IIRC. Most of the people at the beginning was talking 5-7 wins. What were people expecting at the beginning?

10 wins.
 

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This is what I am wondering as well. Is ISU destined to simply be the Big12's Iowa? Where we can have some success, but if it gets into a shootout, we're unable to compete?


If that's the case they need to go back to the huddle and especially..........no more shot gun on 3rd or 4th and inches. But they complete a pass or two and it's back to "tempo". You never see Iowa do that.

I remember games like Purdy's first at Okie State, Kempt's first at OU and many more where things were getting aired out. If we are trying to be the Ferentz's of the Big 12 I don't think that was the original plan.
 
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Quick question. For those that are the most upset, what were your expectations, honest expectations before the year started for wins. We were tagged as a 6.5 O/U in Vegas IIRC. Most of the people at the beginning was talking 5-7 wins. What were people expecting at the beginning?

Scoring more than 11 and winning against KU I can imagine was one of the wins in a majority of the predictions.

To get to .500 they will have to find 3 wins. WVU? Maybe KSU this weekend. Maybe Tech. I don't know.

Maybe OU will be so demoralized by the time we play them they will forfeit.
 
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I appreciated the perspective he had about in reality losing 2 'senior' classes last year. It was a good reminder that we have a lot of youth on both sides of the ball. If we're having the same conversations at this time next year, maybe we can start panicking a little.
This is a really interesting point. Maybe we should have looked to the portal more to try to offset this impact, to a degree.
 

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Scoring more than 11 and winning against KU I can imagine was one of the wins in a majority of the predictions.

To get to .500 they will have to find 3 wins. WVU? Maybe KSU this weekend. Maybe Tech. I don't know.

Maybe OU will be so demoralized by the time we play them they will forfeit.
We usually lay an egg somewhere and beat someone we shouldn’t. Maybe this was the egg?
 

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Quick question. For those that are the most upset, what were your expectations, honest expectations before the year started for wins. We were tagged as a 6.5 O/U in Vegas IIRC. Most of the people at the beginning was talking 5-7 wins. What were people expecting at the beginning?
Preseason prediction I have in my files, dated mid-August. I'm not sure if I posted in any related threads prior to season, and I didn't start a thread of my own.

It was part of a full Big 12 game-by-game projection that already seems way out-of-whack with reality, so i won't bother posting full context.

W SEMO
L at Iowa
W Ohio
L Baylor
W at Kansas
W Kansas State
L at Texas
(BYE)
L Oklahoma
W West Virginia
L at Oklahoma State
W Texas Tech
W at TCU
7-5 (5-4)
 

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Preseason prediction I have in my files, dated mid-August. I'm not sure if I posted in any related threads prior to season, and I didn't start a thread of my own.

It was part of a full Big 12 game-by-game projection that already seems way out-of-whack with reality, so i won't bother posting full context.

W SEMO
L at Iowa
W Ohio
L Baylor
W at Kansas
W Kansas State
L at Texas
(BYE)
L Oklahoma
W West Virginia
L at Oklahoma State
W Texas Tech
W at TCU
7-5 (5-4)

You are spot on at game 5 with the overall at 3-2 when you switch Iowa with KU.

However with conference in full swing how do you see it play out for them going 5-2 to get to your 5-4?
 

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Coaches are typically very egotistical and stubborn. These problems are not going away, it is who they are and have chosen to be at this point.

Fans are trapped in our horrible past and using that to attack anyone that expects better. We're paying enough that these problems shouldn't linger.

Nobody wants to admit CMC is a more likeable version of KF, except he doesn't focus on the O line like KF does.

ISU football is so risk-averse now that watching it has become repetitive and tiresome. It is DMac with more talent. Do we run jet sweeps at all? Or utilize motion? Any bunch formations with Rus, Dean, and another TE or big receiver?

When has our offense shown any sort of innovation comparable to our defense?
Are we paying enough? Again, last in B12 in number of donors, donations, NIL, etc.. I am all for upgrading at OC, but who here is writing the check? We’ve been punching above our weight for 6 years in FB *and* and an athletics department. Our ROI is pretty damn good, but their is a ceiling.

Manning is the best OC since Loney, and the winningest. Replace him, but pony up; because we’ve had a lot worse in the last 20 years since Loney, not to mention before. Fire up the GoFundMe account, so we can guarantee a cannot miss hire. Maybe we could raise enough for a new OLine coach.

We better do it now, because the SEC and BIG are going to be able to buy up all the talented coaches and turn them over at a whim. Okie State great at defense for a year and tOSU hires him away. It’s going to be common place.
 

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It's because Dekkers is young, has an NFL caliber receiver in X, and he likes to watch the receiver he's going to throw to the entire time.
Dekkers has more arm talent but he doesn’t see the field as well as Purdy yet. There was a play in the 4th quarter where he threw a short pass into traffic over the middle and it was incomplete, but he had Silas all alone along the sideline after he chipped and released. Silas had so much open field ahead of him it might have gone for a touchdown. If I remember right this was just before we missed the first kick to tie the game.
 

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Culbertson never hit over 80% of his field goals in any season and made 56% as a senior. That's a very loose definition of great to include him. Netten had one great year out of four. Owens 17/22, good not great.
You'd best know what you're talking bout before spouting off. Kicking is an all-around game. Extra points and field goals. Shaggy hit 100% of his extra points - one of only three ISU kickers in history to do that. He was also asked to kick some really long ones that lowered his FG percentage and still managed to hit 70%. Netten...Our second best kicker all time. Hit 80% of his field goals and 98% of his PATs. Owens...78% on FGs and another who went 100% on PATs. Keep trying...the other thing you forget is our kickers are usually asked to kick far more FGs than other places. For example last year's 1st Team All American Jake Moody of Michigan only had 24 attempts...making 22. Mevis had stats that were nearly exactly the same as Moody's and yet you don't like him. Curious
 

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TE play has fallen off a cliff.. That doesn't help this horrific line either.

I'd love to see Sanders and Silas used in the passing game going forward. Send the WR's deep and let Sanders and Silas go 1 on 1 versus LB's to the sideline. Sanders will definitely win that battle more times than not
Your first statement is another key element, and there are quite a few. The past few years we’ve relied so heavy on them to supplement the OL *and* the WR corps and they aren’t up to the task yet and certainly not the level of Kolar/Allen/Soehner.
 

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Are we paying enough? Again, last in B12 in number of donors, donations, NIL, etc.. I am all for upgrading at OC, but who here is writing the check? We’ve been punching above our weight for 6 years in FB *and* and an athletics department. Our ROI is pretty damn good, but their is a ceiling.

Manning is the best OC since Loney, and the winningest. Replace him, but pony up; because we’ve had a lot worse in the last 20 years since Loney, not to mention before. Fire up the GoFundMe account, so we can guarantee a cannot miss hire. Maybe we could raise enough for a new OLine coach.

We better do it now, because the SEC and BIG are going to be able to buy up all the talented coaches and turn them over at a whim. Okie State great at defense for a year and tOSU hires him away. It’s going to be common place.

So the lack of funding is what caused last weekend?

Stop with the money angle already because we scored 11 and lost to KU. Not OU, Baylor, or UT.................KU! They aren't some SEC power okay. It shouldn't take everyone coughing up $20 to get over that hump.
 

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Dekkers has more arm talent but he doesn’t see the field as well as Purdy yet. There was a play in the 4th quarter where he threw a short pass into traffic over the middle and it was incomplete, but he had Silas all alone along the sideline after he chipped and released. Silas had so much open field ahead of him it might have gone for a touchdown. If I remember right this was just before we missed the first kick to tie the game.
He has a stronger arm, we’ve seen it. Several were saying that he could make all the throws, this we haven’t seen yet.
 
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I appreciated the perspective he had about in reality losing 2 'senior' classes last year. It was a good reminder that we have a lot of youth on both sides of the ball. If we're having the same conversations at this time next year, maybe we can start panicking a little.
The problem with saying we lost 2 senior classes is that we were only 7-6 last year. An 11-2 or 10-3 team last year and then a down year this year would make sense. Last year underachieved with 2 senior classes.
 

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So the lack of funding is what caused last weekend?

Stop with the money angle already because we scored 11 and lost to KU. Not OU, Baylor, or UT.................KU! They aren't some SEC power okay. It shouldn't take everyone coughing up $20 to get over that hump.
No. That wasn’t my point. We lost last weekend due to a myriad of things, as we all know on Offense and STs. I was specifically responding a “we pay enough”. Do we? Are we confident that we can afford truly upgrade at OC? If we buck a decades old trend, can we retain him? Replace Manning yesterday, but their is a cost and risk.
 
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