CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

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The logic of this is flawed because you could make this argument about any configuration.

"Well, the BCS algorithm likes two teams more, so you don't deserve a shot."

"Well, you weren't in the top four, so you don't deserve a shot."

"Well, you weren't one of the top-six conference winners and didn't get one of the six at-large bids, so you don't deserve a shot."

My point is, if you're not moving to an ironclad formula that gives everyone the same shot (like the NFL, NBA, or MLB with an AQ big for every conference), you're just diluting the product and they're diluting it in a way that actually makes the product worse, in my opinion. I'd much rather just see the top eight P5 teams in the playoff than this 12-team formula if they're hellbent on expansion.

It's honestly feels like it's time for the FBS to be split between power conferences and non-power conferences. There's just too big of a gap between the Alabama/Ohio State/Georgia of the world and teams like Iowa State, Minnesota, and NC State, and it's a whole other level when you start talking about teams like UTEP, FIU, and UAB. FCS footing has found a really nice place in the college football landscape and the group of five schools don't get a ton of visibility with the current format anyway. They can also develop their own playoff and become a fun alternative to the power conferences like the FCS.
We can’t even find 4 teams right now that give us 3 competitive games. Expanding that to 12 is going to produce some amazing upsets but also more blowouts. If your left out of the 12 again you don’t deserve it.
 

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We can’t even find 4 teams right now that give us 3 competitive games. Expanding that to 12 is going to produce some amazing upsets but also more blowouts. If your left out of the 12 again you don’t deserve it.

I think most 5 vs 12 (or at least 6-11, 7-10, and 8-9 games) will be more competitive than 1 vs 4.

The semifinals will probably be as bad as they’ve always been, but we’ll get two competitive rounds before that.
 

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I want to see the details before passing judgement. Particularly, the financials. If the money is split evenly between the 12 qualifiers, then I'm not a fan. The Big10 and SEC (who do not need more money) will get a majority of the money in this and will further divide the haves and have nots.

I'd also like to see if the two conference champs that do not get byes are given the 5th and 6th seeds or will they get lower seeds and then have to play the top at large team.
 

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I want to see the details before passing judgement. Particularly, the financials. If the money is split evenly between the 12 qualifiers, then I'm not a fan. The Big10 and SEC (who do not need more money) will get a majority of the money in this and will further divide the haves and have nots.

I'd also like to see if the two conference champs that do not get byes are given the 5th and 6th seeds or will they get lower seeds and then have to play the top at large team.

They already answered the second question. They aren’t guaranteed seeds 5 and 6.
 
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Pre-BCS: 1-2, maybe 3 Bowl games "mattered" in the sense of determining the national champion. The number Bowl games that mattered was inversely proportional to the number of teams still in contention who were playing each other. Every other bowl game was irrelevant.

BCS Era: 1 game mattered. That's it. #1 vs #2. Every other Bowl game was still irrelevant.

CFP Era: 3 games matter. Every other Bowl game continued to be irrelevant.

CFP+ Era: 11 games will matter. Every other Bowl game will still be irrelevant.
IDK, they matter as much as the people involved make them. In the BCS era it was so hard to get into the title game the other stuff actually felt somewhat important because you needed to pick up wins to get momentum in recruiting and the likes to get to the top 2. Once players started deciding they didn't want to play in them and coaches decided to go to their new jobs instead they became completely irrelevant to anything happening at all. The media also quit caring as well, only promoting the playoff and sometimes the NY6.

Once we have coaches and players deciding being a part of them didn't matter then the system died.
 

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Ok I found it and read it, so if they are not using the Bowl locations for the first round. That means there are going to be some awful cold games played.

Assuming the high seed gets home field, I would assume a mid December game possibly in places like Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Colorado, Ohio. Some of those could be brutal. Especially with fields that are not built for cold, like NFL.


Think how bad the Drake game was a few years ago, and this could be a couple weeks later. Some years this is no big deal, but other years this could be rough.
 

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College football is great because every single game matters; moving it to 12 teams diminishes the importance of being near perfect and simply will allow them to add in 2 or even 3 loss SEC teams in the future.
I agree the awesome part of college football is every game matters. A loss in Sep can be huge.

But I like access for top 6 ranked conference champions. So the other 6 teams- I am OK if 4 SEC teams are among that group as long as a computerized poll (instead of a committee) is used to determine the 6 at large teams.

I will also be curious how conferences select their Champ. The expectation would be having a championship game. But does that hurt teams rated 8-12 that lose in their conference championship game? A loss might knock them out. Also, we will probably see rematches of conference championship games in the quarter final round.

I would prefer CCG's be eliminated with a 12 team playoff.
 

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Ok I found it and read it, so if they are not using the Bowl locations for the first round. That means there are going to be some awful cold games played.

Assuming the high seed gets home field, I would assume a mid December game possibly in places like Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Colorado, Ohio. Some of those could be brutal. Especially with fields that are not built for cold, like NFL.


Think how bad the Drake game was a few years ago, and this could be a couple weeks later. Some years this is no big deal, but other years this could be rough.
The first round they can choose where they play I thought I read. Most teams would obviously pick their home field, but some may have a large domed stadium nearby they might pick.
 

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I'm looking forward to a selection show in about 8-10 years after all the tweaking - where 6 Big 10 teams get selected to play 6 SEC teams. Because they're all wonderful, play the toughest competition, and OMG, the eye test!
It won’t be that bad but anyone that thinks those two conferences won’t get favored treatment sure as hell hasn’t been paying attention.
 
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Ok I found it and read it, so if they are not using the Bowl locations for the first round. That means there are going to be some awful cold games played.

Assuming the high seed gets home field, I would assume a mid December game possibly in places like Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Colorado, Ohio. Some of those could be brutal. Especially with fields that are not built for cold, like NFL.


Think how bad the Drake game was a few years ago, and this could be a couple weeks later. Some years this is no big deal, but other years this could be rough.
Cold weather and rain are part of football. The NFL gets by playing in Green Bay in January. College football will be fine playing in Madison or State College in Dec.
 
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Cold weather and rain are part of football. The NFL gets by playing in Green Bay in January. College football will be fine playing in Madison or State College in Dec.
Green Bay has a state of the art Football field that is heated and uses a state of the art grow light and heat system to keep it growing and not frozen solid past November.
 

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I’ll bet at minimum it’s 3 SEC and 3 b1g.
Very well could be some years. Just depends on everyone’s records, strength of schedule, and who’s on the CFB Playoff committee that year.

Also how does Notre Dame feel about never having a chance at a first round bye as they will not be a conference champion?
 
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Ok I found it and read it, so if they are not using the Bowl locations for the first round. That means there are going to be some awful cold games played.

Assuming the high seed gets home field, I would assume a mid December game possibly in places like Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Colorado, Ohio. Some of those could be brutal. Especially with fields that are not built for cold, like NFL.


Think how bad the Drake game was a few years ago, and this could be a couple weeks later. Some years this is no big deal, but other years this could be rough.

They are leaving the door open to the CFP overruling a school's decision and forcing a game to go to a neutral site:



I doubt we will see this applied evenly. Michigan is never going to have to leave the Big House (although maybe they will choose to play in the Lions' dome, if they want a controlled environment). But say Buffalo becomes the next G5 darling and eventually gets a home CFP game. What are the odds they make them play indoors at Syracuse? What about Iowa State? Could they make us play in the Vikings' dome or at Arrowhead if the forecast called for a blizzard in Ames?
 
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They are leaving the door open to the CFP overruling a school's decision and forcing a game to go to a neutral site:



I doubt we will see this applied evenly. Michigan is never going to have to leave the Big House (although maybe they will choose to play in the Lions' dome, if they want a controlled environment). But say Buffalo becomes the next G5 darling and eventually gets a home CFP game. What are the odds they make them play indoors at Syracuse? What about Iowa State? Could they make us play in the Vikings' dome or at Arrowhead if the forecast called for a blizzard in Ames?

Buffalo could probably go to the bills stadium. Probably heated and in better shape. Although, it could depend on the bills home games.