Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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KidSilverhair
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Well, there’s always that Washington State fan’s plan to merge conferences plus bring in both SDSU and SMU. That oughta do it, right?
Looks like they finished the season ranked twice in the last 45 years.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/san-diego-state/index.html
Once again no facts just BS.
Name schools - what does Colorado bring? What do they really bring. Your only legit answer iis Denver and San Diego is 1.5 X larger.
The SDSU athletic program is definitely better.
Go get your name brand Blockbuster, Radio Shack and sears. I will take up and coming program for longevity any time. Isn’t that what iSU is striving to be? Consistent winner?
I’m not trying to hate on SDSU… I mean we are long-time ISU fans here, but I think our sights are better set on literally anybody in the PAC 12 or ACC (if it ever came to that). Even OSU and WSU would be better gets.
Neither SDSU, OSU, or WSU are going to increase revenue, and we’re already battling a tough image issue that will only get harder by adding previously “lesser” programs like Cincy and UCF. While I believe those programs were the best to add, should still be added, and will compete well both financially and athletically, it’s still an image issue. SDSU is a level below them in many regards and I don’t think would bring much of a streaming base, regardless of market locale.
Anybody that ever thought we were going to be in the B1G was delusional, just like anybody that thinks the Big 12 should be fighting for anything more than 3rd place is smoking something. And those thinking we should add SDSU or the like at this stage is guaranteeing the ACC and Pac 12 will have a higher than nothing chance of taking that 3rd place from us, something we can’t afford.
Well to start, your facts are made up.
The PAC 12 has already tried to poach the Big 12 when we were in our weakest moments, and they said "screw you" to our request for a merger when we were circling the drain a year ago immediately after the Texas/Oklahoma shocker. I hope our new commissioner is really the shark they say he is, and I hope he dumps a big ole batch of karma all over the PAC.
If I'm being honest my wife handles the finances. I'm along for the ride. how much is it?
Another key point on SDSU - size of media market of the city where the university is located is not relevant to media value unless you are joining the B1G. In the B1G, they have used their leverage to force the Big 10 Network onto basic cable in the local areas where the team is located, which makes Rutgers still a good value proposition despite relatively poor athletics and fan attendance. The B12 does not gain value from that. Only actual TV viewers.
I love San Diego the city and would be happy to visit it for an away game. But there's a big thing that Colorado brings that San Diego doesn't - an established fan base and football brand that brings TV viewers and therefore TV revenue. SDSU is not an up and comer - they've had some success at lower level football but haven't had any wins over the big boys. There's no evidence their fanbase or TV viewership is growing either. SDSU brings mediocre football and no money value. No reason to add them.
How is the ACC not already there? Is this a timing issue for the B1G & SEC? Due to media contract the ACC is sticking together for a while until it gets raided?
I like visiting San Diego and it's great they have a larger population in the area but Colorado fan attendance is quite a bit higher than SDSU's.
SDSU last played all of their home games at home in 2019 and they averaged 29,896. CU averaged 47,524 (2nd highest in the Pac-12) fans at home games last season.
CycloneErik
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Now the thread gets interesting.
This is stupid. The CF tradition is to pay cash in full. Only suckers pay in installments.
It's been stated a few times, but this isn't being driven by the conferences per se, but by Fox and ESPN as they consolidate their best brands aka CONTENT. Fox and ESPN are writing the checks, so as the conferences decide what is "best" based on mostly money - it's the checkwriters calling the shots.
Think of it this way:
what has Disney's corporate strategy been for about 10 years? Buying up content. Marvel, Star Wars, The Muppets for crying out loud. They've bought up all the best "brands" and then squeezed every dime out of them by generating new shows of varying quality to generate more revenue.
Same thing is happening in CFB.
Think of it this way:
what has Disney's corporate strategy been for about 10 years? Buying up content. Marvel, Star Wars, The Muppets for crying out loud. They've bought up all the best "brands" and then squeezed every dime out of them by generating new shows of varying quality to generate more revenue.
Same thing is happening in CFB.
ACC is third, but they are very vulnerable because of their unfavorable TV deal. They are locked in for like $30 million a team until 2035. If they try to renegotiate, then that would probably absolve their GOR deal and teams could bolt. If they don't renegotiate, then teams like Clemson, FSU, Miami and such will be looking to leave because teams in their own state will be making $80 million plus. They are in a really bad spot.
I think that house of cards falls apart as soon as Clemson and FSU (and maybe Miami) get the go-ahead from ESPN and the SEC. It's never been tried in court and many contract lawyers on the interweb seem to think it would easily fail that test. I have zero contract law knowledge but the arguments made seem very logical.
In my opinion, getting 4-6 from the Pac 12 would cement us the unquestionable 3rd conference. ACC couldn't add anybody to overcome that. The question remains how viable the Pac 12 thinks they can be by possibly keeping Oregon and Washington. I would debate heavily that teams would be better moving now than having slots fill up elsewhere, but I also don't know that the Big 12 expands without them.
Totally agree.
I am really curios on the "loose partnership" hail mary the PAC12 is trying to sell their teams to pause the B12 talks. I would guess after the results of the B1G alliance resulted in disaster they would demand a plan in writing that bind the conference schools tp stay.
I can't see ND/Clemson/FSU/UNC agreeing to any binding agreement that could challenge them leaving and the BOR. If the ACC were to open it's current BOR those schools could easily bolt to the Big 10 or SEC. Big 12 would then once again be the alone 3rd best conference and option for rest of the ACC/Pac12 schools again.
