Who is ISU true comp in Big 12 MBB and just who do we think we are?

[wcbsas]

McDermott has proven to be an outstanding coach. I cannot understand what happened here

McDermott couldn’t recruit the type of athlete he needed at ISU.
His offensive philosophies demanded a certain type of player ... and he could not attain enough high end talent to compete in the B12.

Right or wrong ISU’s strengths and weaknesses demand a certain style of athlete to coincide with an offensive style much different than his offensive philosophies. ISU can’t go head to head with Kansas and Texas for the same player ... ISU would lose 9 out of 10 battles.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

McDermott couldn’t recruit the type of athlete he needed at ISU.
His offensive philosophies demanded a certain type of player ... and he could not attain enough high end talent to compete in the B12.

Right or wrong ISU’s strengths and weaknesses demand a certain style of athlete to coincide with an offensive style much different than his offensive philosophies. ISU can’t go head to head with Kansas and Texas for the same player ... ISU would lose 9 out of 10 battles.

Didn’t he recruit Brackens, Garrett and Wesley Johnson?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Didn’t he recruit Brackens, Garrett and Wesley Johnson?

TJ did. Could have been a different story if WJ doesn’t up and leave.

 

[qwerty]

Just started reading "Here's Johnny Orr" written in 1992. Johnny Orr quote on prediction for his first season:
"We may not throw it to the right people or run in the right direction, but we'll be exciting. I like that. I'll be excited . . . until I look up at the scoreboard, that is."

 

[wcbsas]

Didn’t he recruit Brackens, Garrett and Wesley Johnson?

And when did they become really effective?

 

[cyrocksmypants]

And when did they become really effective?

Wasn’t the argument that he couldn’t recruit the talented enough players?

I don’t think the recruiting was his problem here. It was the retaining and developing part.

I think Brackins is still the second highest ranked recruit we’ve ever gotten, behind only Fizer, isn’t he?

 

[Cyclad]

McDermott couldn’t recruit the type of athlete he needed at ISU.
His offensive philosophies demanded a certain type of player ... and he could not attain enough high end talent to compete in the B12.

Right or wrong ISU’s strengths and weaknesses demand a certain style of athlete to coincide with an offensive style much different than his offensive philosophies. ISU can’t go head to head with Kansas and Texas for the same player ... ISU would lose 9 out of 10 battles.

Solid points, but not sure I 100% agree.
As noted - Brackens and Wesley Johnson are a great place to start. Heck - the big kid from Utah (name evades me) went on to have a good career, even some NBA time.
Mike Taylor and Garrett were good. So, I still say, not sure why things did not work out. Creighton has been very good. The big East is tough. I would say his teams the last two years would be very competitive in the b12. Not Baylor good this year, but would be a second place contender.

 

[CyLyte2]

McDermott started out with an empty roster and then battled APR issues. He recruited several elite players but few of them played together and there were a lot of attrition issues. He never had coaching issues. He had player retention issues.

 

[wcbsas]

Wasn’t the argument that he couldn’t recruit the talented enough players?

I don’t think the recruiting was his problem here. It was the retaining and developing part.

I think Brackins is still the second highest ranked recruit we’ve ever gotten, behind only Fizer, isn’t he?

No the argument is he was trying to fit round pegs into square holes. The higher end successful talent that was brought in during and after his tenure was better suited for a different kind of offensive philosophy. Rather then fitting the offense around the talent he had ... he insisted on the talent running the offense he wanted. And ultimately he didn’t have enough of the high talent on a consistent basis.

His Creighton team this year would’ve been a middle of the pack B12 team.

 

[Tornado man]

His Creighton team this year would’ve been a middle of the pack B12 team.

Creighton would have finished second behind Baylor.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Creighton would have finished second behind Baylor.

No one ******* knows. They could have finished first. They could have finished 9th. It’s impossible to know.

 

[madguy30]

McDermott started out with an empty roster and then battled APR issues. He recruited several elite players but few of them played together and there were a lot of attrition issues. He never had coaching issues. He had player retention issues.

So you think McD's coaching wasn't an issue at ISU?

This kind of feels like the 'CPR would have turned it around with just two more seasons' type of deal.

 

[CyLyte2]

So you think McD's coaching wasn't an issue at ISU?

This kind of feels like the 'CPR would have turned it around with just two more seasons' type of deal.

His coaching was fine. He couldn’t get enough healthy talent on the floor at the same time. His last regular season game was a road win at #5 KSU.

 

[madguy30]

His coaching was fine. He couldn’t get enough healthy talent on the floor at the same time. His last regular season game was a road win at #5 KSU.

How was it fine if that was the only ranked team he beat the whole time at ISU?

 

[t-noah]

Maybe you should look up some of the talent McDermott had late in his tenure.

Prohm had 2 big 12 championships and McDermott had 0 big 12 tourney wins and beat 1 ranked team in 5 years.

I agree the comparison is not close.

McDermott + Prohm = Paradox

 

[t-noah]

It's a mixed bag with ISU, especially when determining the place of History in the sport.

KU is clearly #1 in the Big Xii, but there is a solid battle for 2nd, 3rd, 4th programs in the conference. Eras are important, but the farther back one goes, the less important it becomes. For example, the fact that Iowa State went to the 1944 Final Four has 0 impact on today's program. It's just a dusty banner. Even for old timers like me who went to Iowa State in the Big 8 days, Big 8 stuff is less and less important (Orr and Floyd Eras).

As for Iowa State in the Big Xii, they bring the most passionate fan base in Men's Basketball after KU. They have the 2nd largest arena in the conference, which they fill regularly, the have won more Big Xii Tournaments than any program not named KU and are the last and only other Big Xii program to win back to back outright Big Xii Regular Season titles (2000 and 2001) and have more wins @ KU during the Big Xii Era than any other team (unless that has changed recently).

Iowa State's main problem during the post Johnny Orr Era (which resurrected ISU Men's Basketball) has been a smooth transition between the successful coaches. Matters not to me whether ISU currently ranked 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even lower, because they can easily take and hold the #2 spot with the right coach.

Just my onion.

Would love to see a write-up (or re-write if already done) about the '44 Team!

Apart from that, some success in the late 50's. But even Gary Thompson's senior season ('56-57), the year they beat Kansas and Wilt, they still only placed 3rd in conference (Big7) at 6-6, 16-7 overall.

Mediocre or less until Orr gave us a shot in the pants. The rest is up and down with an overall still about middle-of-conference average. Take out the last couple years of Prohm, an the McDermott era, we are upper half it seems to me, in last 30 years.

Agree with another poster, we lack the consistency of some of the other upper half teams such as OU, OSU, WV, etc.

 

[t-noah]

Last really good team we had was Hoiberg's last year? That team finished #9 in country.

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Couple of very good teams after that (Prohm's first two years), then gradual to quick decline to where we are now.

I know where we are now. Bottom.

 

[t-noah]

Anybody know who #5 is/was in the 2014-15 Team pic?

 

[cyclones500]

Anybody know who #5 is/was in the 2014-15 Team pic?
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Hallice Cooke, I think.

 

[Macloney]

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