Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...

[gocy444]

Guarantee we don’t hear anything tonight. Pollard doesn’t want to steal the headline away from the women’s teams selection bid. Which is the right move, imo. They earned this night and deserve the spotlight.

 

[CloneJD]

I would be willing to bet it would qualify for you and me.

Sucking at your job most certainly does qualify as "for cause" (as long as it is properly documented and opportunity is given for improvement)...except for college coaches, corporate executives, and a few other jobs. No university wants to deal with the publicity and fallout, so they just pay the money.

No, the difference is contract employment vs typical at will employment.

 

[CyLyte2]

Guarantee we don’t hear anything tonight. Pollard doesn’t want to steal the headline away from the women’s teams selection bid. Which is the right move, imo. They earned this night and deserve the spotlight.

I agree. This can all take place tomorrow.

 

[Statefan10]

Why does the university need to buy out a coach with a winning record?

Because coaches aren't usually measured by having winning records in basketball, it's usually whether or not you've made NCAA Tournaments, which Archie hasn't done one time there. By your logic, we shouldn't fire Prohm because he technically has a winning record... he's 97-95.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

It's sports. There is never a "need".

And I hope JP isn't operating under those guidelines for ISU and the fans of men's basketball. Because if he is then TJ will be the next coach.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Because coaches aren't usually measured by having winning records in basketball, it's usually whether or not you've made NCAA Tournaments, which Archie hasn't done one time there. By your logic, we shouldn't fire Prohm because he technically has a winning record... he's 97-95.

Which is better than GMAC.....................................who resigned.

 

[jbhtexas]

What percentage of college athletics spending is really a NEED? They are making a calculated bet that it gains them a return on investment. And for the millionth time, it's not like the donors in that case are saying, here's $10 million, do with it what you want. They are saying here's $10 million for a specific purpose.

And that they are giving this money specifically for buying out a coach with an overall winning record, and who has had one losing season in a pandemic year, makes it all the more stupid.

 

[CyLyte2]

And I hope JP isn't operating under those guidelines for ISU and the fans of men's basketball. Because if he is then TJ will be the next coach.

Some of you are unbelievable. Or part of the greater Prohm family.

 

[Statefan10]

It's sports. There is never a "need".

Let's not act like it's "just sports". Sports are entertainment and happen to generate billions of dollars. As an AD you can't just sit there and allow your coaches to be average in a conference like the Big 10, especially at basketball school like Indiana. The AD knows that he has to make a move or else his own job could be on the line.

It's a business.

 

[CycloneErik]

FIFY

We don't know that. Always a decent chance this donor's parents, grandparents, or earlier built the wealth. There aren't tons of people building that much from scratch at this point.

 

[Statefan10]

Which is better than GMAC.....................................who resigned.

True... but Prohm did have two years in a row in which he essentially did nothing and cushioned his resume here..

 

[jbhtexas]

Because coaches aren't usually measured by having winning records in basketball, it's usually whether or not you've made NCAA Tournaments, which Archie hasn't done one time there. By your logic, we shouldn't fire Prohm because he technically has a winning record... he's 97-95.

The situations are rather different. Miller has had one losing season out of four. Prohm has had 3 losing seasons out of 6, and has a rather nasty conference losing streak going...

I don't have premium access...but Prohm isn't fired yet...

 

[Stormin]

I don't know, guys that eventually become good power conference coaches don't have many bad years at mid-majors, other than taking over a bad program.

But on one hand you are knocking ADs for shallow evaluation, and are guilty of it yourself. Look at the years leading up to when TJ took over the Jacks and UNLV. Then compare those to what Smith, Medved or Gates took over. TJ had two great years at SDSU taking over for Nagy, then wasn't very good in year three (despite still having Daum). He had a good year taking over an 11-7 MWC team with several starter/rotation guys returning, then was not good this year.

The other guys took over worse situations and have their programs in a better place. It doesn't mean Smith would for sure win, but the guy with the highest winning % in the history of the MWC after taking over for a guy that won 16-18 games per year has pretty high odds of success. Medved taking over three absolutely garbage programs and taking 1-3 years to make them winners in all three cases suggests a high probably of doing it a 4th time.

None of the candidates ISU is going to land is going to be a sure thing. It's about finding the candidate with the best odds for success. I happen to think a deep analysis of resumes suggests there are realistic candidates that are more likely to succeed than TJ.

In TJ’s 3rd Season at South Dakota State, the Jacks won the Regular Season Championship and upset In the Conference Tournament. Your description that South Dakota did not have a good year is NOT True. And after that 3rd season UNLV gave TJ their Head Coaching Job. Not very good in Year 3? JFC.

the first year at UNLV TJ finished with 12 Conference Wins. The most wins that UNLV had in the Mountain West in 12 years. TJ had 6 transfers that first year. Elijah Mitrou-Long was the best. Mitrou-Long went down with a severe injury just before the Mountain West Conference Tournament. That injury to their best player proved too much and UNLV lost in the Conference Tournament.

This year’s team started 1-6. Losses to Alabama and North Carolina and the lone win over Kansas State in those first 7 games. TJ has more Big 12 Conference Wins this year than Prohm. And TJ had Covid19 in December. The 12-15 record in this Pandemic Year in which TJ actually had Covid19 is the only sub .500 record TJ has had. TJ is only 43 years old. Has 10 years experience at the P5 level as an Assistant and also was Associate Head Coach at Iowa state. Plus 5 years as a Mid Major Head Coach. If TJ gets the Head Coaching Job it is because JP thinks he is the best choice. That is good enough for me. I consider all the Coaching Candidates that JP is considering to be a definite upgrade over Prohm.

 

[Statefan10]

The situations are rather different. Miller has had one losing season out of four. Prohm has had 3 losing seasons out of 6, and has a rather nasty conference losing streak going...

I don't have premium access...but Prohm isn't fired yet...

Agree that the situations are different, however Miller still hasn't made an NCAA tournament since he's been at Indiana, and Indiana just fired a coach that had made 4 out of the last 6 NCAA tournaments. Indiana basketball is sort of like Texas football. The fans set insanely high expectations and demand change when those expectations aren't met.

The amount of $$$ Indiana puts towards basketball deserves better than a coach who can't make the NCAA tournament.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

True... but Prohm did have two years in a row in which he essentially did nothing and cushioned his resume here..

And here we go. Do we need to rehash this again? So the players did it all on their own? What, with Fred, or wait..............TJ..........we have final four banners hanging in Hilton? My only point was that even after two terrible back to back years.......his overall is still better than a coach JP didn't fire. Didn't fire! That is pertinent to this conversation. I doubt JP is sitting back thinking what you just said.

 

[jbhtexas]

No, the difference is contract employment vs typical at will employment.

Employment contracts can be terminated for non-performance. It happens all the time. College coaching just happens to be one profession where it would be very public and probably messy from a PR standpoint.

 

[Statefan10]

And here we go. Do we need to rehash this again? So the players did it all on their own? What, with Fred, or wait..............TJ..........we have final four banners hanging in Hilton? My only point was that even after two terrible back to back years.......his overall is still better than a coach JP didn't fire. Didn't fire! That is pertinent to this conversation. I doubt JP is sitting back thinking what you just said.

Nah we don't need to rehash it. Lol

 

[acody]

In TJ’s 3rd Season at South Dakota State, the Jacks won the Regular Season Championship and upset In the Conference Tournament. Your description that South Dakota did not have a good year is NOT True. And after that 3rd season UNLV gave TJ their Head Coaching Job. Not very good in Year 3? JFC.

the first year at UNLV TJ finished with 12 Conference Wins. The most wins that UNLV had in the Mountain West in 12 years. TJ had 6 transfers that first year. Elijah Mitrou-Long was the best. Mitrou-Long went down with a severe injury just before the Mountain West Conference Tournament. That injury to their best player proved too much and UNLV lost in the Conference Tournament.

This year’s team started 1-6. Losses to Alabama and North Carolina and the lone win over Kansas State in those first 7 games. TJ has more Big 12 Conference Wins this year than Prohm. And TJ had Covid19 in December. The 12-15 record in this Pandemic Year in which TJ actually had Covid19 is the only sub .500 record TJ has had. TJ is only 43 years old. Has 10 years experience at the P5 level as an Assistant and also was Associate Head Coach at Iowa state. Plus 5 years as a Mid Major Head Coach. If TJ gets the Head Coaching Job it is because JP thinks he is the best choice. That is good enough for me. I consider all the Coaching Candidates that JP is considering to be a definite upgrade over Prohm.

Thanks for the endorsement Pollard.

 

[CyLyte2]

Thanks for the endorsement Pollard.

Not so much an endorsement as facts.

 

[jbhtexas]

Agree that the situations are different, however Miller still hasn't made an NCAA tournament since he's been at Indiana, and Indiana just fired a coach that had made 4 out of the last 6 NCAA tournaments. Indiana basketball is sort of like Texas football. The fans set insanely high expectations and demand change when those expectations aren't met.

The amount of $$$ Indiana puts towards basketball deserves better than a coach who can't make the NCAA tournament.

So then how does giving $10,000,000 more to a guy that already doesn't deserve what he is getting make any sense? His yearly salary is like $1.7 million if I looked right. The buyout goes way down next year.