Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...

[HFCS]

It's so sad watching other team's out of timeout plays and see how crisp they are.. It's insane how that was something that Prohm struggled to ever be good at here. For all of the plays he liked on Twitter, I barely ever remember us running an ATO play and being like "well that was a good play".

Half the time we'd just run a high ball screen and our guys would stand around the perimeter. The other half of the time, Prohm would be on the court screaming because his guys were in the wrong spot..

Sorry for the mini-rant. I'm watching KSU and Baylor and am just sad with how well coached they are. Even Kansas State. If we had a good coach, we'd have a record like Kansas State does. Which isn't good, but their talent level is similar to ours. We just have (had) an incompetent coach.

The floor is waaaaaay too low for us now. That's why a change has to happen.

Good coaching and prep can even out the years where talent dips a little, it can't be this massive cliff dropoff.

 

[Statefan10]

You have the Pollard angle that’s been talked about, but CW has admitted he wouldn’t be able to cover TJ objectively. Hope that wouldn’t bring down the quality of the content on here.

I like TJ, but it’s an athletic program, not a frat.

I don't know how Pollard can objectively take TJ without it looking really bad.. That's why I think he's not going to take TJ and it will be someone that we aren't expecting.

 

[HFCS]

I don't know how Pollard can objectively take TJ without it looking really bad.. That's why I think he's not going to take TJ and it will be someone that we aren't expecting.

I think/hope you're right.

 

[VeloClone]

I seem to remember it being talked about on here.

Nope. That story has been making the rounds for years, pretty sure you could find it somewhere if you're dead set on it.

So it's just a rumor or there were actually published stories on it? Sounds like it was a rumor. Rumors can be true, but they are often false.

 

[cyatheart]

I focused on Jackson a lot last night. It's pretty common at every level now to set the high ball screen with the rest of the team stationary around the three point line. But Jackson (and too often all of them were guilty of this) would be completely disengaged from the action. He was essentially resting and not a threat to do anything. Everyone on the floor should be reacting to the ball screen action whether it's getting ready to shoot, rotating to a vacant spot on the 3-point line, or going back door. We had no secondary actions off the ball screen, which is kinda important when your big can't pick and pop and your point guard can't turn the corner. Our basketball IQ was just astonishingly low for a D1 team, let alone a Big 12 team.

It’s fine to run some high ball screen, but your entire offensive philosophy can’t be the ball screen...it’s all steve wanted to do

 

[Stormin]

You have the Pollard angle that’s been talked about, but CW has admitted he wouldn’t be able to cover TJ objectively. Hope that wouldn’t bring down the quality of the content on here.

I like TJ, but it’s an athletic program, not a frat.

Exactly why would you exclude TJ from even being considered? What is your reasoning? IMO it is logical that TJ would be considered to be a candidate. IMO it won’t be Fred or Altman. Not a chance.

 

[Yaz]

I think its safe to say when Prohm came here, that he was an up and coming coach that would have some growing pains because he really wasn't proven, long-term anyway. It was very clear early (Year 3) on that he wasn't growing as a coach, in fact maybe declining. Looking back, maybe he needed older & more experienced assistants around him to advise him (Think Hoiberg & Bobby Lutz, Doc S...), however, that is on Prohm too. By year 3, it was the same stuff that any coach could out prepare ISU. I hope we can get a proven winner. Regardless, I trust JP to always do whats best for ISU, regardless what some fans think.

 

[Sigmapolis]

It’s fine to run some high ball screen, but your entire offensive philosophy can’t be the ball screen...it’s all steve wanted to do

He tried Solomon back-to-the-basket sets a lot, too.

Neither are particularly impressive instances of Xs and Os offense, though.

 

[Statefan10]

I focused on Jackson a lot last night. It's pretty common at every level now to set the high ball screen with the rest of the team stationary around the three point line. But Jackson (and too often all of them were guilty of this) would be completely disengaged from the action. He was essentially resting and not a threat to do anything. Everyone on the floor should be reacting to the ball screen action whether it's getting ready to shoot, rotating to a vacant spot on the 3-point line, or going back door. We had no secondary actions off the ball screen, which is kinda important when your big can't pick and pop and your point guard can't turn the corner. Our basketball IQ was just astonishingly low for a D1 team, let alone a Big 12 team.

Yeah I think a huge issue to all of that is we don't attack the rim, so the guys who are defending our "shooters" never have to make a decision to help down. So it just looks like our guys are just standing there while one guy gets a ball screen.

A team like ours that doesn't have a lot of size should have been doing tons of movement on offense to make the defense excerpt a lot of energy. We should've had actions happening on the backside, but instead we'd just have our small guards launch threes from Steph Curry range. We probably shot the toughest shots in the nation considering we have no offense, we have small shooters who have a tough time getting shots off, we have bad back to the basket guys down low, and our head coach doesn't hold people accountable so whatever shot you took was fine.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I think its safe to say when Prohm came here, that he was an up and coming coach that would have some growing pains because he really wasn't proven, long-term anyway. It was very clear early (Year 3) on that he wasn't growing as a coach, in fact maybe declining. Looking back, maybe he needed older & more experienced assistants around him to advise him (Think Hoiberg & Bobby Lutz, Doc S...), however, that is on Prohm too. By year 3, it was the same stuff that any coach could out prepare ISU. I hope we can get a proven winner. Regardless, I trust JP to always do whats best for ISU, regardless what some fans think.

He had Davis Hobbs the whole time.

 

[Yaz]

He had Davis Hobbs the whole time.

Well, maybe that wasn't good enough. Heck, I had never looked at Hoibergs staff at Nebraska until last week and was surprised to see Bobby and Doc there. All I'm saying is Prohm never grew as a coach. I can recall Scott Drew being rather unique in his coaching style at Baylor early on...burning timeouts, timeouts after a big play... He grew and is a damn good coach I think most would agree. He grew as a coach.

 

[CycloneErik]

He tried Solomon back-to-the-basket sets a lot, too.

Neither are particularly impressive instances of Xs and Os offense, though.

So true. If either were accompanied by any sort of off the ball action to open up good shots and add unpredictability, sure, go with those as foundations for the offense.
But when either one is clearly the only thing that we're going to try, come on. Add a wrinkle or 5000.
(Note: I picked 5000 because I can't remember the # we threw around in the GMac years.)

 

[Cyched]

Exactly why would you exclude TJ from even being considered? What is your reasoning? IMO it is logical that TJ would be considered to be a candidate. IMO it won’t be Fred or Altman. Not a chance.

Where did I say he shouldn’t be a candidate?

 

[CycloneErik]

Yeah I think a huge issue to all of that is we don't attack the rim, so the guys who are defending our "shooters" never have to make a decision to help down. So it just looks like our guys are just standing there while one guy gets a ball screen.

A team like ours that doesn't have a lot of size should have been doing tons of movement on offense to make the defense excerpt a lot of energy. We should've had actions happening on the backside, but instead we'd just have our small guards launch threes from Steph Curry range. We probably shot the toughest shots in the nation considering we have no offense, we have small shooters who have a tough time getting shots off, we have bad back to the basket guys down low, and our head coach doesn't hold people accountable so whatever shot you took was fine.

Also, we're not very athletic.
We really needed to work for shots, and rarely bothered.

 

[AuH2O]

Do you judge Hoiberg to not include Niang, Monte, etc? Subtract those guys and the records they had and Hoiberg wasn’t very good. And Prohm totally sucks.

Well one big difference is Hoiberg recruited those guys. TJ inherited Daum.

 

[Statefan10]

It’s fine to run some high ball screen, but your entire offensive philosophy can’t be the ball screen...it’s all steve wanted to do

Which is why we were okay at the beginning of the year in 2019-2020, because we had Tyrese run a PnR game and create for guys and himself, but when teams figured out that was all we did, we couldn't do anything. And then when he went down you'd think we'd switch things up and not run just ball screens but NOPE lol same thing. And then this year you have all off season and quarantine to re-configure your offense to tailor it to your team but NOPE. BALLSCREENS.

I'm not anti-ball screen btw.. I'm against coaches that are so stubborn they can't understand why a square peg won't fit into a circle hole.

 

[AuH2O]

South Dakota State was a #16 Seed vs. #1 Seed Gonzaga in 2017. In 2018 South Dakota State was a #12 Seed vs. #5 Seed Ohio State.

In 2019 NIT South Dakota State was. #7 Seed vs. #2 Seed Texas in the Alabama Bracket.

So TJ is 0-2 in NCAA Tourneys and 0-1 NIT. South Dakota State was lower seeded in all 3 games. All opponents were P5 Conference Members.

I don’t have an issue with TJs post season record, as that’s the way it’s going to be for a team in the Summit league. I was responding to the post stating that TJ is a better candidate than Prohm was when ISU hired him in part because Prohm did not have success in the post season.

 

[Stormin]

I don't know how Pollard can objectively take TJ without it looking really bad.. That's why I think he's not going to take TJ and it will be someone that we aren't expecting.

So even if TJ would be the BEST candidate then JP can’t take TJ because it looks bad? That is sheer stupidity. That is not how JP operates.

 

[Kurttr]

I never said “he is the best”. I want Freddy to come back but comparing TJ to Prohm is ridiculous. Prohm’s resume was not nearly as good as TJs is now. There’s no arguing that. As far as comparing to the other flavors of the month, TJ obviously gets a bounce for having incredible knowledge of his potential future employer and boss. You can’t discount that.

Thanks for the reply, CyLyte2. I know we both want to avoid a repeat of Prohm. We'll just have to agree to disagree whether a blind look at the two resumes would look that different -- other than those several knowsAmes/recruiting/assisting@P5 items. Sounds like you place a significantly higher value on those than I do v. HC success. I don't think they're unimportant, I just think others' resumes as HC look more impressive. Absent Fred or Matta/Altman, it's going to be a roll of the dice, regardless. Hope it comes up a winner whomever it is.

 

[heitclone]

It’s fine to run some high ball screen, but your entire offensive philosophy can’t be the ball screen...it’s all steve wanted to do

You can run it all night if you have the personnel, if you don't, you shouldn't run it at all. Steve never grasped that but to be fair, about the only other thing we've seen him run is a generic, jr high, no movement, 8 seconds in to the shot clock, everyone stand and watch, 1 and done post up play to Solo.