Grass fed vs. Corn fed beef

besserheimerphat

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If you are going to go down the road that cows weren’t meant to eat corn, then you should not even be eating meat. Our Ancestors were originally Vegan. Humans evolved to become omnivores. If you are going down the natural road, eat Your vegetables.
It shouldn't be shocking that a constrained or grain fed piece of meat would be fattier and taste better then a pasture raised piece of beef.

Also, in general, I think this country would be healthier if people considered items other than just taste in their food choices.
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Humans have only been eating cereal grains (which include wheat, corn and rice) in large quantities for the past ~10k years since agriculture was invented. Yet modern humans have been around for closer to 100k years and our dietary needs haven't changed that much. Certainly not to the extent that our diets have. Anthropology has proven that when we changed from a hunter-gatherer to an agricultural society, we got shorter and generally less healthy. They've also proven than when we did add meat to our diets, our brains got larger and more complex. I'm not saying we shouldn't eat cereal grains, but we should be eating a larger variety of plants along with meat and fat. Speaking in huge generalities, we need some protein and we don't need as much grain.

Its probably the same for cattle. How much corn do you think large grazing animals ate before modern agriculture? But humans were eating those animals for millenia before that. I don't know that we can really say cattle are healthier on corn. They certainly grow faster, and may taste better to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean the cows are healthier. There have also been huge advances in vet-med and other animal husbandry practices so you can't say any particular improvement is just due to grain diets.
 
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Warning - I going to take this off the rails for a bit. Feel free to skip.

Humans have only been eating cereal grains (which include wheat, corn and rice) in large quantities for the past ~10k years since agriculture was invented. Yet modern humans have been around for closer to 100k years and our dietary needs haven't changed that much. Certainly not to the extent that our diets have. Anthropology has proven that when we changed from a hunter-gatherer to an agricultural society, we got shorter and generally less healthy. They've also proven than when we did add meat to our diets, our brains got larger and more complex. I'm not saying we shouldn't eat cereal grains, but we should be eating a larger variety of plants along with meat and fat. Speaking in huge generalities, we need some protein and we don't need as much grain.

Its probably the same for cattle. How much corn do you think large grazing animals ate before modern agriculture? But humans were eating those animals for millenia before that. I don't know that we can really say cattle are healthier on corn. They certainly grow faster, and may taste better to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean the cows are healthier. There have also been huge advances in vet-med and other animal husbandry practices so you can't say any particular improvement is just due to grain diets.

What was the Life Span of those Hunter Gatherers?
 

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What was the Life Span of those Hunter Gatherers?

When’s the last time someone in Des Moines was mauled by a saber toothed tiger on their way to Hy Vee?

I’d be willing to bet the avg 40 yr old hunter/gatherer thousands of years ago was much healthier than the avg 40 year old today. Aside from their teeth probably...
 
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When’s the last time someone in Des Moines was mauled by a saber toothed tiger on their way to Hy Vee?

I’d be willing to bet the avg 40 yr old hunter/gatherer thousands of years ago was much healthier than the avg 40 year old today. Aside from their teeth probably...

More likely that the hunter/gatherer never made it to age 40.
 
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More likely that the hunter/gatherer never made it to age 40.

Probably right. But they likely didn't die of heart disease and diabetes is my point. Other medical advances that keep people alive today shouldn’t be a substitute for a good diet.

But regardless. Grain fed beef isn’t the issue with peoples diets. So carry on.
 

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When’s the last time someone in Des Moines was mauled by a saber toothed tiger on their way to Hy Vee?

I’d be willing to bet the avg 40 yr old hunter/gatherer thousands of years ago was much healthier than the avg 40 year old today. Aside from their teeth probably...

so basically British?
 
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What was the Life Span of those Hunter Gatherers?
More likely that the hunter/gatherer never made it to age 40.
There are still hunter-gatherer societies today in Africa and South America. Also in SE Asia. Watch National Geographic or PBS. These tribes have many members who are over 40 years old. Sure there are many infants, children and young adults who die from sickness or injury. But the people that can avoid that live long lives. If life expectancy is 30 years old, then for every infant that dies there is another person who lives to 60.
 

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There are still hunter-gatherer societies today in Africa and South America. Also in SE Asia. Watch National Geographic or PBS. These tribes have many members who are over 40 years old. Sure there are many infants, children and young adults who die from sickness or injury. But the people that can avoid that live long lives. If life expectancy is 30 years old, then for every infant that dies there is another person who lives to 60.

Wow. 60 years old. Whoopee. How do we know whether these indigenous people suffer from diabetes or heart disease when they do not get diagnosed?
 

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We are fortunate to live in a very ag-based region of the PNW (Skagit Valley). So we could work with a local farmer to get some good farm-to-table pork and beef. We've talked about it a lot and just haven't ever pulled the trigger.
King Farms in Klamath Falls does the potato finished beef. They sell it through united harvest. You won't regret giving that whirl. But I bet you could find someone that does potato finishing where you are and get a hand picked potato finished steer in your freezer.
 
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King Farms in Klamath Falls does the potato finished beef. They sell it through united harvest. You won't regret giving that whirl. But I bet you could find someone that does potato finishing where you are and get a hand picked potato finished steer in your freezer.
I know there are potato fields around here as I see truckloads of them running around every year. But it's hard to know what's growing in any particular field in any given year. I know I've seen potatos, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, lettuce and cabbage, daffodils and tulips, and corn in the fields I (used to) drive past on the way to work. Half the stuff I haven't been able to identify yet.
 

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I had to dredge this up from the dead to say that I've now had two Strauss Farms grass-fed 12oz ribeyes in the last month (bought at Hy-Vee, with one on sale cheaper/lb. than their regular ribeyes), and they were both simply fantastic. Easily better than the last few regular ones I've bought from Hy-Vee.

On a side note, I don't know if anyone here has ever been to a Lucky's Market (the one in Iowa City has been defunct for a few years now), but they would have the absolute best deals on high-quality meat, sometimes with triple-stacked coupons when the meat was approaching the best-by date. And you could drink while you shopped.
 

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I've seen a lot of discussion on this topic of late and even watched a video by some butcher brothers comparing the two. Nearly everyone seems to think grass fed beef is the best, even the two butcher brothers, who said grass fed beef has a stronger beef taste than corn fed, whatever that means. I vehemently disagree. Corn fed beef, the kind you find in Iowa, is most definitely better than any beef you find outside Iowa. Move away from Iowa and you'll see what I mean. We get free range or grass fed beef from Texas where I live and it is stringy, tough and nearly inedible at times depending on the cut you get. I long for good old well-marbled Iowa beef. Corn fed beef is more fatty and fat is where the flavor is in most meat cuts. Am I wrong here? Grass fed cuts are smaller, mostly because they don't have the marbling that corn fed beef has.

Anyway, I just wondered if I'm alone in thinking corn fed beef is far superior to grass fed because most of the discussion I've seen says just the opposite.


Raise the beef on grass, but feed them a little bit of corn every evening. MMMM.mmmmmmm baby.
 

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Warning - I going to take this off the rails for a bit. Feel free to skip.

Humans have only been eating cereal grains (which include wheat, corn and rice) in large quantities for the past ~10k years since agriculture was invented. Yet modern humans have been around for closer to 100k years and our dietary needs haven't changed that much. Certainly not to the extent that our diets have. Anthropology has proven that when we changed from a hunter-gatherer to an agricultural society, we got shorter and generally less healthy. They've also proven than when we did add meat to our diets, our brains got larger and more complex. I'm not saying we shouldn't eat cereal grains, but we should be eating a larger variety of plants along with meat and fat. Speaking in huge generalities, we need some protein and we don't need as much grain.

Its probably the same for cattle. How much corn do you think large grazing animals ate before modern agriculture? But humans were eating those animals for millenia before that. I don't know that we can really say cattle are healthier on corn. They certainly grow faster, and may taste better to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean the cows are healthier. There have also been huge advances in vet-med and other animal husbandry practices so you can't say any particular improvement is just due to grain diets.



You need grain to feed the masses though. At least for now. Unless you want mass starvation. Will that change? Hopefully.
 

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