If we go winless in the conference, does Prohm get fired?

[alarson]

I do just want to say one thing, there’s going to be pain in football around here sooner rather than later. Hate to break it to everyone but we’re going to rebuild at some point there to and miss a bowl game or “underachieve” (media sets those expectations so it’s ******** but nonetheless) Hope everyone remembers that.

Every program except for those at the very top has rebuilding years, this is true. not every program has rebuilding years that are such complete dumpster fires as Prohms have been, and I doubt they will be for Campbell.

I think ISU fans should be very happy if we get results like Ferentz has gotten out east. Consistently get 8-9 wins, occasionally have a rebuilding year at 4-6 wins and also occasionally have a really good year where we make a NY6 bowl.

If campbell went and had 3/4 seasons be 0-2 win dumpster fires, he'd deserve to be fired

 

[heitclone]

At this point, this is on JP. That means we get at least next season of Prohm. JP is great but he has an ego, an ego that won't let him admit he made another terrible choice to extend a mediocre (at best ) coach. Prohm is only doing his job, it's up to his boss to realize he's awful at it. Just curious, has anyone seen or heard any comments from JP on the bball program? It seems he just all about football these days, it'd be nice if someone in the media got his opinion.

 

[BryceC]

I do just want to say one thing, there’s going to be pain in football around here sooner rather than later. Hate to break it to everyone but we’re going to rebuild at some point there to and miss a bowl game or “underachieve” (media sets those expectations so it’s ******** but nonetheless) Hope everyone remembers that.

Agreed. However, I think the team last year and this team this year are the worst teams of my lifetime. For Campbell to achieve that I think would be pretty significant.

 

[goody2012]

You are out of your god damn mind if you think JP is going to throw a pile of cash at Prohm and show him the door after the entire AD staff took a financial hit. This is not the year to bring together a bunch of new pieces and you are seeing that across the country. Next season will be it though if he can't put together a tournament team. I think what concerned me the most last night was the teams body language. They don't really appear to support one another on the court and there is a clear lack of leadership out there.

Maybe he won't do it on his own, but if some donors are willing to pony up why not?

 

[Clonefan32]

Every program except for those at the very top has rebuilding years, this is true. not every program has rebuilding years that are such complete dumpster fires as Prohms have been, and I doubt they will be for Campbell.

I think ISU fans should be very happy if we get results like Ferentz has gotten out east. Consistently get 8-9 wins, occasionally have a rebuilding year at 5-7/6-6 and also occasionally have a really good year where we make a NY6 bowl.

If campbell went and had 3/4 seasons be 0-2 win dumpster fires, he'd deserve to be fired

Exactly. Rebuilding years happen. I had no real issue with 2017-2018 season. It was somewhat inevitable.

But the funny thing about rebuilding years is you'd like to see them happen on the heels of more success than what we had, and you'd like to not have more rebuilding years than successful years.

 

[Halincandenza]

I disagree. They have just as good of players as we do. Bolton might be a slight upgrade on what they have. Not much though. TO machine.

Even after winning, they are still about 60 spots lower than ISU in KenPom. I have watched them a few times this year before this and this has a ton to do with coaching. They have one of the worst teams I have seen in the Big 12 in several years in terms of talent. You probably have to go back to some of those really bad TCU and Tech teams 6 or so years ago.

 

[BryceC]

Exactly. Rebuilding years happen. I had no real issue with 2017-2018 season. It was somewhat inevitable.

But the funny thing about rebuilding years is you'd like to see them happen on the heels of more success than what we had, and you'd like to not have more rebuilding years than successful years.

And rebuilding to what? We need to see the freshman get serious minutes here.

 

[brett108]

Between COVID and Hunter coming in next year, he'll get another year.

I could care less about Hunter. I would like ISU to win, and Prohm has not won with better total talent than what he will have next year. He needs to go.

 

[qwerty]

IF?

 

[DeereClone]

Football facilities are on hold regardless is my understanding per regents.

Absolutely give him the money he needs for assistant coaches. That isn’t the argument at all.

Imagine we have $5,000,000 and Campbell wants say $1,000,000. There are people acting like we can’t spend that other $4,000,000. If it comes down to needing money you give it to football instantly. I just don’t get why people think that’s going to be the case. The budget sucks but there is still money out there. Especially if attendance tanks next year.

Football pays the bills and runs the show. If there is ever WW3 in conference realignment we need our football program and football facilities to be top notch to leave no doubt that we belong if/when SHTF. It's good business to invest every possible dollar into the football program, and unfortunately every dollar you spend on Prohm's buyout is a dollar we can't use to make sure the football program is top-notch.

 

[ZuriCyclone]

Prohm will be here until 2025. We lost 30 to 40 million in revenue this year. Just to bring CMC in to the top 25 highest paid coaches we would need to pay over 4.5 million a year. Plus all his coordinators and staff will be looking at a raise.

Better to just ride out Prohm , ya few lean years. But Football will keep the brand alive.

 

[Halincandenza]

I guess I'm just going back his lack of urgency. Not mixing anything up. Not letting assistants go. Not doing much by way of shaking up the lineup. No change in his sideline demeanor. No visible increase in intensity. Same regurgitated quotes after each loss.

Just doesn't strike me as a guy that knows he has to win to keep his job.

Just seems like there is no accountability for making the same mistakes over and over. Why would someone learn to block out when they don't get benched or chewed out? Why would someone stop chucking up poor shots without passing, again, if they don't get benched etc?

 

[Urbandale2013]

Football pays the bills and runs the show. If there is ever WW3 in conference realignment we need our football program and football facilities to be top notch to leave no doubt that we belong if/when SHTF. It's good business to invest every possible dollar into the football program, and unfortunately every dollar you spend on Prohm's buyout is a dollar we can't use to make sure the football program is top-notch.

You’re not disagreeing with me really. The regents have said no building can happen. So no new facilities right now. Give the coaches the money they need. That said there should still be money.

Tickets are the big thing. They are going to be a big loser if we continue down this road. You have to at least be compatible for fans to pay for the games. I’d say we lose at minimum $500,000 next year if nothing happens.

As I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think anything happens this year but we have to look at the complete picture. Keeping Prohm costs money too.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Agreed. However, I think the team last year and this team this year are the worst teams of my lifetime. For Campbell to achieve that I think would be pretty significant.

You must be <10 years old given your likely lifespan otherwise would include the McDermott years.

They were b-a-d bad.

I think the worst Prohm teams (until this year) were probably roughly on par with the better McD ones.

You are right, though, that this year's team is already making a strong case for itself as the worst of the "modern" era, however you want to define that, or at least of this century.

 

[CyBobby]

Nope. No matter how pissed people get about this season he's not going anywhere. No chance. You can waste your time b!tching on message boards as much as you want it won't make a bit of difference.

I AGREE csp will be back next year and probably after that, for a few more years...This truly does remind me of the Ken Trickey years .....

I am sooo darned glad I PASSED ON ESPN+....This mbb team is unwatchable at this point in time...

 

[Cytown12]

Prohm should do himself a favor and just resign.

 

[NENick]

Not sure which of these identical threads to post in. Flipped a coin.

I refuse to believe Prohm doesn't care and is putting no effort into his job (because he knows he won't be fired). The fact is he's just proven to not be good at it. At least not good enough for this level of competition.

Also, I don't think CMC leaves ISU because of money. But he will leave, at some point, because of his competitive nature and the desire to keep testing himself. Hopefully not until a few more years of unprecedented success.

 

[CycloneErik]

Prohm should do himself a favor and just resign.

He does himself a favor by getting paid and set up for a lifetime.

That said, everyone, don't some places do these buyouts on a payment schedule rather than all up front?
Pollard's supposed to be good with numbers. Have him find a way.

 

[jpete24]

At this point, this is on JP. That means we get at least next season of Prohm. JP is great but he has an ego, an ego that won't let him admit he made another terrible choice to extend a mediocre (at best ) coach. Prohm is only doing his job, it's up to his boss to realize he's awful at it. Just curious, has anyone seen or heard any comments from JP on the bball program? It seems he just all about football these days, it'd be nice if someone in the media got his opinion.

Calling out Pollard for this is dumb.

From what I know, Prohm was Leath's guy, not Jamie's. But I think Jamie is going to still support him no matter what because that's what a good AD does. Think about it, how do you recruit new coaches when you fire your current coach mid-season? Do you think the new coach doesn't see that? Jamie is really careful to make sure to give coaches the time they need to prove themselves or not prove themselves. We saw that with Rhoads.

Prohm is going to be here until the end of 2021/2022 season.

 

[Halincandenza]

Not sure which of these identical threads to post in. Flipped a coin.

I refuse to believe Prohm doesn't care and is putting no effort into his job (because he knows he won't be fired). The fact is he's just proven to not be good at it. At least not good enough for this level of competition.

Also, I don't think CMC leaves ISU because of money. But he will leave, at some point, because of his competitive nature and the desire to keep testing himself. Hopefully not until a few more years of unprecedented success.

Yeah, I think Prohm is doing the best he can, he just isn't good enogh
Also agree with CMC. If he ever leaves, it won't be because of money, it will be because he gets an offer where he can try to test himself either moving up to a blue blood to compete for championships every year or to the NFL.