Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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ClonesTwenty1

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Not sure where you are getting that in Waterloo to have 444 test positive which was 17 percent of those tested they had to test over 2500 workers-
I think you may have read it wrong. Only one facility tested over 50% of its employees. The rest were below 25% of employees who were tested.

I’m guessing tons of employees in those meat plants are still going to work without even knowing they may have Coronavirus.
 

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So what is your solution? Like I said don’t just say keep current restrictions because it isn’t realistic. People are itching to get back to normal. Our strategy of mitigation now is how can we keep people as distanced as possible. If we don’t start looking for those things than we are just going to basically tear down the dam and flood everyone out.

That's where leadership has always been important. When leadership downplays the situation or just doesn't care, then people do what you're describing.
When leaders spell this stuff out and share the data and dangers, many more people will make the good decisions.

Doesn't matter now, since Iowa's hell bent on opening no matter the cost, but that's how things have typically been done in a successful way.
 

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There's nothing you can do, since a large chunk of our population has little self-control or value of things outside themselves, is obsessed with instant gratification and struggles to live an inconvenienced or generally changed lifestyle. That's not directed at anyone here, it's just a general, cultural observation. It's all going to fall down soon, and the easier path politically is to let people do what they want and just not own up to the consequences of doing so (splay it in the guise of 'freedom' or something). That mentality will trickle down from multiple points of leadership fairly soon, if it hasn't already. That number of "acceptable deaths" people often reference increases by each passing day of being distanced.

The curve may be flattening, but it's nowhere near the downslope. It's gonna be awhile before this goes away.

True on your observations on people that just can't handle forgoing what essentially are completely discretionary activities. I will add that there are LOTS of people advocating for opening because their livelihood is at stake.

I'll also point out that there are lots of people on this site that reflect a good portion of people that scream and flail about how Iowa is not doing enough to flatten the curve, while simultaneously ******** about how our peak for cases and deaths keeps getting delayed. Pretty tough to have any kind of productive debate when there are so many people like that.
 

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Bear with me for a minute, but she could actually make sure there is stuff in place orrrrrr she could say no, and i won't allow plants to open until they convince me they do. But you know she is a corporate shill so she won't.
In other words, whatever answer she does, or whatever answer she gives you wont like, because you don't like her.
 

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You don't think we have? You think there would be the same number of cases today if everything stayed open these past 8 weeks.

That's what I was asking. What is the metric to measure "flattening". Because per your statement any improvement over the "no action" baseline curve could be considered that the curve has "flattened"
 

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The FSIS isn't even the proper person that should be doing this oversight. It should be someone connected with the CDC. Do these plants even have USDA FSIS anymore or are they now plant employees?

https://www.govexec.com/management/...usdas-plan-give-industry-more-control/163527/
You originally suggested using the USDA personnel already present in plants to have authority concerning preventive measures. FSIS is under the USDA. I think the CDC has different concerns at this point. As if they even had enough people to do what you’re suggesting in the first place. I’m amazed at how many people think there are all these extra state and federal employees standing around doing nothing.
 

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The posts in this thread are just amazing. People are astonished, just beside themselves, at the idea that the government might be wise not to simply take the word of large companies who have repeatedly been proven to be hiding the truth, if not outright lying about it.

"What are they supposed to do, inspect them?" The horror!
You’re living in a fantasy world.
 

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You originally suggested using the USDA personnel already present in plants to have authority concerning preventive measures. FSIS is under the USDA. I think the CDC has different concerns at this point. As if they even had enough people to do what you’re suggesting in the first place. I’m amazed at how many people think there are all these extra state and federal employees standing around doing nothing.

I used the USDA as an example of oversight already present in the plant. I was not suggesting that person actually doing this additional oversight. As far as lack of employees, I believe we currently sit at over 30 million unemployed.
 

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The posts in this thread are just amazing. People are astonished, just beside themselves, at the idea that the government might be wise not to simply take the word of large companies who have repeatedly been proven to be hiding the truth, if not outright lying about it.

"What are they supposed to do, inspect them?" The horror!

Inspect them sure, they'll most likely be good that day. Then what? How do you know the next day, or even the next shift? Outside inspections don't drive consistent change, that comes from the top down within the company. The state doesn't have enough resources to continually inspect all of these plants, nor do any federal agencies.
 

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Inspect them sure, they'll most likely be good that day. Then what? How do you know the next day, or even the next shift? Outside inspections don't drive consistent change, that comes from the top down within the company. The state doesn't have enough resources to continually inspect all of these plants, nor do any federal agencies.

These plants are already continually being inspected. An additional inspection isn't really asking much more.
 

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In other words, whatever answer she does, or whatever answer she gives you wont like, because you don't like her.

I mean, i dont like her because she's incompetent, so its likely that an answer from her is likely to show the incompetence that i dislike, yes.
 
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How many times does a public official, or even say inspector, go to a facility, and the workers are informed that: this, this, and this WILL BE DONE? Even though it isn't fully followed all the time by the employees. How many times does a manager follow an employee into the restroom to assure they wash their hands? Are there boot checks every day to ensure steel toes, are glasses checked to make sure they adhere to full safety requirements?

The governor visiting would be more of a farce than anything else in checking this stuff out.

Point wasn't literal...it's her putting out the assumption that things are safer than they really are...it's similar to asking her if she's going to attend mass since church is fine to go to.
 

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True on your observations on people that just can't handle forgoing what essentially are completely discretionary activities. I will add that there are LOTS of people advocating for opening because their livelihood is at stake.

I'll also point out that there are lots of people on this site that reflect a good portion of people that scream and flail about how Iowa is not doing enough to flatten the curve, while simultaneously ******** about how our peak for cases and deaths keeps getting delayed. Pretty tough to have any kind of productive debate when there are so many people like that.
The way I see it, the livelihood issues are more of a political leadership failure...but that's been rehashed many times. Yes, people have to understand that continued efforts to flatten the curve will stretch the overall issue out over time. That's the purpose, and should be what we strive for. However, that cannot be done with impatient and distrusting people...which is a large problem.

@Urbandale2013 As for what to do, who knows. I tend to echo @BCClone's thoughts on incremental opening, although I would add that I think pro sports could probably still operate closed off from fans. These are the most in-shape and likely least-health-dangerous people on the planet, acting with great medical care and very structured lives on their side. As to whether or not that also extends to college sports... I'm mixed on that. I think the sports part of it is fine, it's the school part of it and how it translates to other students that would be the odd part.
 

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Not exactly sure.
That's where leadership has always been important. When leadership downplays the situation or just doesn't care, then people do what you're describing.
When leaders spell this stuff out and share the data and dangers, many more people will make the good decisions.

Doesn't matter now, since Iowa's hell bent on opening no matter the cost, but that's how things have typically been done in a successful way.


I think a large part is where you live in Iowa. The county I am in has 3 cases; all travel related. The county I work mostly in, 2 cases; travel related is what I was told. Both counties next door, had one last I checked; unsure how they acquired. This area is getting edgy that with the restrictions. 60 and unders are the one's you see wearing masks. Yesterday I was in a convenience store to get some 2 cycle oil I forgot and a dude with an O2 tank was wandering around without a mask. That there is a high risk guy. I know some older people who have spouses in care facilities that they haven't been able to be face to face (without a window between) for over two months. These are people who are near their life's end and they are wondering is it better to be like this or risk it and live your life with your loved one even if that means a year less on your life.

We haven't seen the influx of cases here, so the people in this area are getting a little more "irritated" with the restrictions. Experience and situations play a big part into how people perceive this.
 

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Repeating as I had something similar in a trip out to the PNW. It would be nice to know. I only got a strep test (-) and they never named it, only gave me antibiotics for a DOUBLE ear infection and said to call back in if it went to my lungs, which it never did.

Only issue is anybody with me didn't get any symptoms and they'd all be in the 'vulnerable' camp.

My whole household got sick to an extent. One kid had a similar but less severe experience that I had. Wife had very minor cold-like symptoms. Other kid had strep-like symptoms but tested negative for strep.

Even though I was the worst I never really thought seriously about going to the doctor. I've never gone to the Dr. for illness probably since I was 5 years old. It was pretty miserable, though. Couldn't sleep more than dozing off and on for about 5 days or so. I never really got to the point where breathing was labored, but it was probably the worst sickness I can remember.
 

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I used the USDA as an example of oversight already present in the plant. I was not suggesting that person actually doing this additional oversight. As far as lack of employees, I believe we currently sit at over 30 million unemployed.
So some of those 30M can then go through the application process, background checks, hiring process, training, relocation, and then we can start getting businesses back up and running? Okay.
 
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