Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)
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It sounds like we are still a month away from the most promising treatment.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/gil...ug-trial-shows-encouraging-early-results.html
As I’ve been saying the tolerance for these extensive actions won’t last long. Other states are seeing protests to open their states up. I don’t agree with those people but we are nearing the end of extreme measures. You want a decent amount of people to have had it to lower the second peak when stuff is reopened. I just don’t see a scenario where the US tolerates shutdowns long enough for treatments or a vaccine to be relevant.
Not sure if this has been posted but apparently the Sioux Falls Smithfield plant was offering workers a $500 bonus if you didn’t call in sick in March.
So basically the exact opposite of how you should have actually handled this.
Statements like these are self-fulfilling prophecies, especially when they come from our leaders.
Most people do not have the ability to go months without income, so this makes no sense. Leaders have to find a way to accommodate people where they are at or they are risking widespread civil disobedience. It isn't going to be easy.
This problem with this line of though is related to the development of a therapeutics.
I just don't subscribe to your X number of people are going to die no matter what line of thinking.
Telling people they can't (and shouldn't) abide by shelter in place orders makes things even more difficult and is completely counterproductive.
As if it is that simple.
Unemployment won't pay a small business bank note, cover health insurance or a mortgage, etc. Many sole proprietors aren't eligible anyway. Shoot Congress can't even fund paycheck protection beyond a week for small business employees.
We have at least a year to live with this virus before any vaccine will come online. The "when" and "how" is all that's being debated now, not the "if" of coming out of quarantine.
We have programs that can take care of all of those issues. They just need funding.
Remember that Remdesivir is hospital administered intravenous only for treatment of moderate to severe cases...this isn't a simple pill that prevents COVID. It is showing great promise at both shortening the length of illness and reducing deaths...which would be tremendous!
Good god some of you people think money grows on trees. Herd immunity is needed. There are 3.18 million people in Iowa and if you go on predicted positives being 7 times the known positives then that equals to 0.4% of the population is positive and 98% of those recover. Protect the vulnerable.
We have been leaving all mail and packages in our garage for 48 hours prior to opening them. We've made some exceptions for things we really need but this helps not having to wipe everything down with disinfectant. We do the same thing for non perishable groceries.
What line of thinking do you subscribe to then? There is no scenario in which no one dies from this disease. Therefore, in every scenario there are going to be some number of people that die. Even in New Zealand, where they immediately closed all borders and implemented strong social distancing after learning of the virus, some people have still died from it. Much less than other countries, but some deaths.
We have to live in reality. While there are some developmental treatments and vaccine candidates which are showing promise, those are not guaranteed to work and there is no firm timeline for when they might be available. Absolute best case scenario for a vaccine is this fall/winter, per medical experts but that is like the one in a million absolute best case. Therapeutic treatments could possibly be ready sooner, but those treatments don't guarantee recovery.
The U.S. and World economies can't withstand several months of complete shutdown. Even if we could leave the economy "off" until a vaccine and magically flip the switch back on after the shutdown and put everything immediately back to normal (we can't) after the entire world was vaccinated, then we would start running out of essential supplies before the fall. We're already running low on chemical reagents needed to perform coronavirus tests, along with many other medicines due to supply chain issues.
This virus is out now. There was a chance it could have been contained had we taken stronger measures at the federal level back in January, but we didn't. It's in so many places we don't even know where it is. Our best strategy is to keep it at a slow burn. Develop and strictly enforce new workplace rules designed to keep infection rates low. Slowly release restrictions. Keep the economy running at least at a trickle for the next year or two until we have better treatment options.
As much as it may seem distasteful or disagree with your own personal morality, these are the decisions leaders have to make. All choices will cause deaths and loss of livelihood for Americans. As a leader, you have to decide which one causes the least hardship. I'm not saying this to try to make past decisions by Trump or Reynolds look better. I'm saying it because going forward even the best leaders in the world are going to be re-opening their countries prior to the development of a vaccine. Look at Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, and other European countries - they will soon (or have already) re-opened to some degree.
It’s amazing we have trillions in debt, and rapidly growing even before this, without funding such programs, as well as being prepared to respond to an identified risk like this pandemic.
I’m not for the government taking my money, but when I am, some wealth redistribution to those that will immediately reinject it into the economy does more for me than bailouts.
Maybe the question that needs to be posed is just how much longer do people feel that we need to be on complete lock down? Some of the businesses especially our smaller local ones can't keep their doors closed for too long else some may not be re-opening. At some point they need to have their doors open even if it is on a limited basis with a restricted amount of customers because they need that revenue coming in to pay their bills and employees and the employees need them open to get a paycheck. These relief programs can't be long term solutions, we already have a debt problem as it is. There will come a time where we will have to start re-opening things up and we can leave it to be a personal choice on just how much risk one is going to take by going out in public again. We can't stay shut down like this for an extended period of time and not do some serious damage to not only our economy but individuals mental and financial well being as well.
I heard 2 conversations on KXNO with Bruno yesterday discussing how the shut downs are affecting his businesses and it was a good listen I thought. He said right now it's basically all about limiting their losses because they aren't turning a profit right now. For example by shutting down a place on Sundays they aren't "saving" anything they are just limiting their losses because the limited revenue coming in on a slower day is costing them more to pay the staff to be there than it is not to be open. He also said something about when places start to re-open he doesn't know how only seating let's say 50% is really going to help because they need to be completely open in order to generate the revenue they need to turn a profit. He also mentioned something about the Iowa Restaurant Association has some stat that over 40% of local restaurants may not survive this shutdown and made some comment how if this drags on too long like say into June he thinks that number could be a real possibility.
Without any knowledge of what they were doing beforehand in terms of mitigation I could not have predicted this, now maybe you and Cat had inside knowledge that those companies were not doing anything. I know my company is trying and I would hope most are. Frankly what they did could very well be considered criminal(and as far as shifting workers to another location probably should be), but again without any inside information there was no way to tell this was going to happen 2 weeks ago like you said, or you could probably say that about the company I work for if you are just making broad statements even though we are trying to mitigate as much risks as possible.
I do agree that some countries have worked hard to keep the virus under control (South Korea, Taiwan, etc.), the European countries haven't exactly been a blueprint to success. Germany, while initially low, has seen its case numbers rise over the past few days and its death count start to approach the average. Here is a story about South Korea...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevep...ut-normal-is-still-some-way-off/#13054f49760e
Yes, they have reopened some businesses, but there are long term restrictions on everyone...no school yet, if you get the virus you are tracked using your phone, mandatory 14 day quarantine for anyone coming in country, etc.
Bottom line is that I agree with what you said about restarting some aspects of the economy, but it will be significant reduction from before COVID...keep it at a slow burn until we get a vaccine. It's going to be awhile before we can start up the big gatherings though...
Oh, I love my city. I don't love the fact that Tyson was hauling in workers from a plant in another county that they knew was swimming in it.
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