Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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wxman1

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Half of the deaths stem from long-term care facilities. Let's not get so caught up in the numbers without context. It's worse case situation for those types of places. Some of you need to maintain perspective.

I agree with you and she did say that region 6 is at a 10 mostly due to long-term care facilities. I am assuming that is why they didn't take more steps which to an extent makes sense....but don't make people guess and assume.
 

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That entire press conference was just a disaster. From not being able to answer why region 6 isn’t SIP, to the Ashton Kutcher debacle, to telling someone that doesn’t have internet to check the website later...... wow, you can’t make this s@@t up folks.
 
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I agree with you and she did say that region 6 is at a 10 mostly due to long-term care facilities. I am assuming that is why they didn't take more steps which to an extent makes sense....but don't make people guess and assume.
I agree. She's not doing a good enough job of being transparent or giving all relevant info.
 
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That entire press conference was just a disaster. From not being able to answer why region 6 isn’t SIP, to the Ashton Kutcher debacle, to telling someone that doesn’t have internet to check the website later...... wow, you can’t make this s@@t up folks.
She doesn’t like stepping up to be a leader.
 

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Call me fu***** crazy but I would have considered spacing people out and operating slower vs running the throttle wide open and operating at capacity. We are talking about numerous plants that are going to sit idle instead of just reducing their output. Being labeled "essential" doesn't mean you get to ignore all of the other precautions that need to be taken.
I think the problem with this is it would have decreased production and likely wouldn’t have totally stopped the outbreaks that led to them shutting down. In your scenario I see it playing out as decreased production and plants still shutting down. Would the outbreaks have been as severe no, but I don’t think it would have limited the outbreaks to not shutdown the facilities.
 

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It cannot be overstated what an unmitigated strategic and communications failure the state's response has been. A total debacle in every way.

Reynolds has always been a poor executive but even by her standards, this has been a spectaculaly incompetent performance.
 

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60 people have died, out of 3,155,000. I get that the virus is scary, but let's keep a little perspective here.

I don't disagree but lets not pretend that death is the only result. Being intubated, medcial induced coma, extubated, recovery/therapy is a walk in the park either.
 

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My comment was aimed more at what is happening nationally. The virus isn't widespread in Iowa yet so I also don't think there are many COVID deaths in Iowa not being counted. As far as methods used to address the virus, we need to implement some sort of guidance in regards to essential businesses that are still operating. The large outbreaks at packing plants in the state certainly need to be addressed.

Definitely agree with you - especially in the hotspots. There will surely be some studies going on that look at non-confirmed deaths, look at symptoms and will be able to estimate. Again, that's lagging data, but if it can be done quickly enough it could at least prep for a recurrence.
 

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60 people have died, out of 3,155,000. I get that the virus is scary, but let's keep a little perspective here.

In 3 weeks.

For comparisons sake, since some people like to compare to other fatality events, roughly 25 people a month die in car accidents in iowa on average.
 
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Call me fu***** crazy but I would have considered spacing people out and operating slower vs running the throttle wide open and operating at capacity. We are talking about numerous plants that are going to sit idle instead of just reducing their output. Being labeled "essential" doesn't mean you get to ignore all of the other precautions that need to be taken.

I'm not disagreeing with you however I can see how there might be challenges to doing that. As a manager of a group of employees that work shift work and are considered essential in this instance, a lot of them need the hours to pay for their necessities and trying to push them down on hours will create pushback from a labor perspective as well if they are union could create other issues. We’ve worked around this and are finding ways to spread them out, move them to various locations at our facility where they can still perform some work (clean, take inventory, etc...) and still be available in case of an emergency as well find various ways and opportunities to provide training to them either by sending them to a remote computer or through teleworking. I wouldn’t claim that our methods work for every situation like this as they won’t but I can see some of the challenges they may encounter (not saying what they’re doing is correct).
 

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It seems negative tests basically give us basically nothing useful because someone testing negative could have had it and possibly be able to work. That's where reliable antibody tests come in, so long as immunity is there.

Testing at workplaces somehow would be useful as you could maybe get a quick track of what was going on and reduce spread.
Agree completely on the antibody tests. I am far more interested and concerned about dealing with a recurrence this summer and/or fall, and most importantly if it is true that people can possibly get re-infected, then we need some SERIOUS planning on how to handle that.
 

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I think the problem with this is it would have decreased production and likely wouldn’t have totally stopped the outbreaks that led to them shutting down. In your scenario I see it playing out as decreased production and plants still shutting down. Would the outbreaks have been as severe no, but I don’t think it would have limited the outbreaks to not shutdown the facilities.

We could make that assumption or make the assumption that more precautions would have allowed these plants to stay open. At this point, it's all guessing. What we do know is doing nothing resulted in these plants being closed down.
 

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That entire press conference was just a disaster. From not being able to answer why region 6 isn’t SIP, to the Ashton Kutcher debacle, to telling someone that doesn’t have internet to check the website later...... wow, you can’t make this s@@t up folks.

I didn’t see it. What happened with Kutcher?
 

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I didn’t see it. What happened with Kutcher?

I didn't see it either but sounds like a 'See? A celebrity. Everything's better because they talked.' kind of moment.

It's a step up from the My Pillow dude so there's that.
 

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In 3 weeks.

For comparisons sake, since some people like to compare to other fatality events, roughly 25 people a month die in car accidents in iowa on average.
In Iowa alone, roughly 7000 people die in Iowa due to heart disease. That over 500 deaths a month.
 

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We could make that assumption or make the assumption that more precautions would have allowed these plants to stay open. At this point, it's all guessing. What we do know is doing nothing resulted in these plants being closed down.

Do we know that they didn't do anything different than they had been? I also work for a meat production plant. We are putting temporary barriers between employees(because in our situation you can't just space them out due to the way the building functions), our breaks have always been staggered, shift changes have been changed to have reduced contact, office workers are work from home when possible.

We still are trying to get masks, which due to shortages is almost impossible. Nitrile gloves are a requirement in some parts of the facility and are not allowed in others because if they come apart in the product they can't be detected by metal detectors and in some instances x-ray, so cotton gloves are worn in those parts of the plant.

All this boils down to even if we have it spread through our plant is anyone going to be like you and just assume that nothing was done? Yes they made some big mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there were not some mitigation efforts in place.
 
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