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There was one play where Shayok went down to double Osetkowski, who promptly passed it out to Shayok’s man on the close wing for a wide open 3 pointer. Shayok’s frustrated reaction to me looked like he thought Halliburton was supposed to rotate over and cover his man and didn’t, instead remaining on the far side.

It was Wigginton who missed the rotation. I think Haliburton and Wigginton ran into each other because Wigginton didn't move. Defensive rotations don't matter much on the AAU circuit.
 

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Again, with no leader to rally the troops. This team is lost.

Shayok and Babb are quiet guys who avoid the spotlight. Wigginton just seems disinterested in 1/2 of the games. Lard is Lard. And freshman have no credability when talking to other players... Prohm also doesn't portray confidence in the team right now..

Here is to hoping that they figure it out in the next week or so!!
 

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Where were you when we were winning?

Why this comment? Why do you judge? Look...a bunch of the recent articles on defensive decline lead me to ask what basketball experts think is the main issues. Period. This is not a 'lack of support' or an 'agenda at CSP' at all. We had losing spells earlier throughout the season, plus last year, and I didn't post then either. I took a long time away from this board and guess it should have stayed that way. Had NOTHING to do with winning or losing. But then again, why do I even have to explain myself? I know how much I like to learn about the game and discuss the Cyclone games good and bad, but people like you seem to already predetermine how everyone is thinking and feeling. Congrats on your degree. I've been going to games and cheering for the Cyclones and yes, supporting our coach. And I still am. Would appreciate you as a fellow fan to quit analyzing everyone and bashing them with speculation if they ask a question.
 

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There was one play where Shayok went down to double Osetkowski, who promptly passed it out to Shayok’s man on the close wing for a wide open 3 pointer. Shayok’s frustrated reaction to me looked like he thought Halliburton was supposed to rotate over and cover his man and didn’t, instead remaining on the far side.

Thank you for a 'basketball' answer and an explanation of defense.
 

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Again, with no leader to rally the troops. This team is lost.

Shayok and Babb are quiet guys who avoid the spotlight. Wigginton just seems disinterested in 1/2 of the games. Lard is Lard. And freshman have no credability when talking to other players... Prohm also doesn't portray confidence in the team right now..

Here is to hoping that they figure it out in the next week or so!!

I really liked Conditt's interview, think it was CTV. Seemed like he was trying to amp up his teammates. Also explains a lot about his demeanor on the sidelines. He continues to impress me.
 

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It was Wigginton who missed the rotation. I think Haliburton and Wigginton ran into each other because Wigginton didn't move. Defensive rotations don't matter much on the AAU circuit.

This seems true. Wigginton seems to be a step behind on defense this year. He's constantly letting the dribble drive through without being in front.
 

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They’ve started the same five for 28 out of 29 games, the top-7 has been static since December, and they were better defensively in the first half of the conference season. If it’s chemistry related, it’s more symptomatic of emerging personal issues than lack of playing together.

That's a fair point. I just see confusion defensively, a lot. Awkward switches, guys getting lost at times. Maybe they just aren't that good in the first place.

I still think the #1 issue is when shots don't fall, they deflate and kinda give up.
 

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They’ve started the same five for 28 out of 29 games, the top-7 has been static since December, and they were better defensively in the first half of the conference season. If it’s chemistry related, it’s more symptomatic of emerging personal issues than lack of playing together.
But would you have seen Wigginton, Lard, and/or Solomon being in that rotation instead of Haliburton or Jacobson?
 

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But would you have seen Wigginton, Lard, and/or Solomon being in that rotation instead of Haliburton or Jacobson?
Wigginton and Lard are in that rotation.
Young would have shared the 5 spot with two other players. He’s also been out so much he’s not disrupting chemistry.

We’ve had one of the most consistent lineups and rotations in the Big 12. Chemistry may be an issue, but it isn’t due to a disadvantage in playing together.
 

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Why this comment? Why do you judge? Look...a bunch of the recent articles on defensive decline lead me to ask what basketball experts think is the main issues. Period. This is not a 'lack of support' or an 'agenda at CSP' at all. We had losing spells earlier throughout the season, plus last year, and I didn't post then either. I took a long time away from this board and guess it should have stayed that way. Had NOTHING to do with winning or losing. But then again, why do I even have to explain myself? I know how much I like to learn about the game and discuss the Cyclone games good and bad, but people like you seem to already predetermine how everyone is thinking and feeling. Congrats on your degree. I've been going to games and cheering for the Cyclones and yes, supporting our coach. And I still am. Would appreciate you as a fellow fan to quit analyzing everyone and bashing them with speculation if they ask a question.

Agree with this whole-heartedly when it comes to I ca cat and others.

We’re told to never settle, always improve. Failure breeds excellence. My commercial about missing 27 game winner at made him better, more determined. NIt only do we see a decline in then the pkayer because I do that , coaching, we aren’t a seeing the nature of the human being.

Also, we have much stronger emotion ties to the negative. This is why people always remember bad bears in poker, sports and so on. So Iran natural die more people to ask questions. Compani, etc go to Alabama football board. Not having the same conpkaints as 8-5 teams because success is so high.
 
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Agree with this whole-heartedly when it comes to I ca cat and others.

We’re told to never settle, always improve. Failure breeds excellence. My commercial about missing 27 game winner at made him better, more determined. NIt only do we see a decline in then the pkayer because I do that , coaching, we aren’t a seeing the nature of the human being.

Also, we have much stronger emotion ties to the negative. This is why people always remember bad bears in poker, sports and so on. So Iran natural die more people to ask questions. Compani, etc go to Alabama football board. Not having the same conpkaints as 8-5 teams because success is so high.
You need to disable the auto-fill feature on your phone. This isn't even worth trying to decipher.
 

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Wigginton and Lard are in that rotation.
Young would have shared the 5 spot with two other players. He’s also been out so much he’s not disrupting chemistry.

We’ve had one of the most consistent lineups and rotations in the Big 12. Chemistry may be an issue, but it isn’t due to a disadvantage in playing together.
Understood, but you also can't claim that we are the most talented team in the Big XII if Lard, Wigginton or even Solomon aren't playing. Not that you were, but I've seen this a lot on here.
 

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You need to disable the auto-fill feature on your phone. This isn't even worth trying to decipher.
This got me chuckling:
remember bad bears in poker, sports and so on. So Iran natural die more people to ask questions. Compani, etc go to Alabama football board.
 

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As far as the defense, CW made a good point inn his pidcast. DEfense and rebounding is all effort. Chicken or egg whether it is Coach or players. Either prohm isn’t commicating effectively or players aren’t executing or understanding
 
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As far as the defense, CW made a good point inn his pidcast. DEfense and rebounding is all effort. Chicken or egg whether it is Coach or players. Either prohm isn’t commicating effectively or players aren’t executing or understanding
I encountered something similar in my own coaching experience. The head coach and I couldn't get our girls soccer team to execute what we were trying to get them to do. It was clear they had the ability and it was clear they understood what we were trying to do but there was not the will to do it. It became clear that they needed a paid coach rather than parent coaches. We got a really good paid coach the following year with a whole bunch of the same players. Even though they were getting better coaching there was still the same result because a critical mass of the players did not want to buy into the direction the coach was attempting to take the team and there wasn't enough (positive) leadership within the team to swing that critical mass.
 

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Understood, but you also can't claim that we are the most talented team in the Big XII if Lard, Wigginton or even Solomon aren't playing. Not that you were, but I've seen this a lot on here.
But Wigginton and Lard are playing, which is why there have been many non Cyclone fans making such remarks of this being one of the Big 12’s most talented teams. Young was a loss, but those remarks were made including that. We haven’t had more adversity in conference than Baylor, KU, or even KSU imo.

Remember how we like to point to the computer rankings when the narrative is positive? That goes the other way, too. This team is talented and was playing well. It lost some close games due to a myriad of different issues and responded poorly to them by not showing up in Austin. The team needs to regroup. Opposed to degrading the players ability or falsifying the hardships, I believe they’re talented and with leadership from Prohm it’s possible to put the awful display at UT behind us.
 

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You need to disable the auto-fill feature on your phone. This isn't even worth trying to decipher.

HAHA, nothing More from me. In place with no internet so tries to throw thoughts up once and that’s one attempt too many.
 

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You need to disable the auto-fill feature on your phone. This isn't even worth trying to decipher.
"My commercial about missing 27 game winner at made him better, more determined." This needs to be printed on a motivational poster.
 
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But Wigginton and Lard are playing, which is why there have been many non Cyclone fans making such remarks of this being one of the Big 12’s most talented teams. Young was a loss, but those remarks were made including that. We haven’t had more adversity in conference than Baylor, KU, or even KSU imo.

Remember how we like to point to the computer rankings when the narrative is positive? That goes the other way, too. This team is talented and was playing well. It lost some close games due to a myriad of different issues and responded poorly to them by not showing up in Austin. The team needs to regroup. Opposed to degrading the players ability or falsifying the hardships, I believe they’re talented and with leadership from Prohm it’s possible to put the awful display at UT behind us.
I agree with most of what you are saying. And I don't think any of us know why we are in this "slump". If you ask me, Shayok is the pivot point. When he is playing great offense and defense we are MUCH better. Maybe what I'm saying is that I gave Prohm credit for how good we were when really it was more on Shayok's playmaking.

I just feel that a team creates their identity in the off-season and where they design how they will play. That was when we decided to go 4 guards, but that had Wigginton, Lard, Talley and Solomon in the plan. One game in and they were down 4 players.

This isn't a Prohm program just yet, but I'm not giving him a pass for his stubbornness to change the team to play 2 bigs at the same time. I would love to see what a Jake and Lard lineup looks like. Maybe it just doesn't work, and coach has tried it and doesn't like it. I don't know. It's frustrating for all of us not to see more tinkering.