This would end up with the PAC 12 trying to steal OU and TX away. Don't fall for this ploy. Football in the money maker. Basketball, I could see a challenge or alliance but not football.
P12/B12 alliance?
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Yes, everything revolves around football first, as it should at most athletic programs. K-State football (direct) revenue was $42 million compared to $9 million from MBB last year. But hoops would be a natural alliance extension if anything ever came of this in the future.
PS: I'm glad some of you isolationists didn't work for me.
That partnership would definitely pay-off more for the PAC12 than it does for the Big 12. I like the idea for non-conference match-ups, but the major downside would be that a program like Iowa State would probably draw those less-desirable 9PM Central/7PM Pacific kick-off & tip-offs.
Yes, ISU would slide in very nicely, however it won't due to the B1G's model tied to their B1G network. Iowa is already covered and ISU isn't a national brand, so the B1G won't take them.
I'd presume dates in Ames with UDub, UO and USC and other sexy matchups but obviously they'll occur rarely (if at all).
You're right, it is the Pac that's hurting which is why an alliance would have to help the big 12 more than the Pac 12. What that entails I'm not entirely sure.
But I really like the idea of the Pac 12 teams (any of them) in Ames on the regular. And the chance to spread the Gospel of Cy to the west coast.
This topic makes for some interesting (& even some outlandish) conversation. My take? Pollard, while not perfect in all of his actions, has proven to be a very shrewd AD. If he comes forward with an opinion about this Pac12-Big XII merger and believes it to be best for ISU, I will support it. Until I hear anything remotely positive about this from JP, I remain extremely skeptical of its merits.
Per Pac 12 newspapers...the Pac 12 network is hemorrhaging money faster than a lottery winner in a brothel. Their sports have little national coverage and their power schools in football look like a pipe whacked Nancy Kerrigan. But pay no attention to that...come join us in a grand football alliance where we (Pac 12)....errrrr, we (all of us) stand to benefit.
Almost burnt once by the Texa$-Oklahoma land grab...screw me once, shame on you...screw me twice, shame on me.
For starters; UA & ASU. Make the big 12 whole and split N/S again which would help pacify OU fans.
This is a legit concern which could be dealt with in the alliance. The alliance contract stipulates that the Arizona schools come east and that's all. No more land grab bs.
It’s all about content now. “TV Markets” aren’t going to be a thing soon if they aren’t already. ISU provides a ton of quality content that fits in with the B10’s academic and geographic profile.
You see this is just the opposite of what you fear. Rather than raiding, this is a proposal that does not merge the leagues but shares their strengths by scheduling one another. The P12 TV network has a ton of infrastructure that very well might, I say might be useful to plains universities like ours since we have none other than Texas, of course.
I don't think that model will drive future decisions, and that's a big reason I think the Big 12 will be ok going forward.
And that's the thing that would suck; knowing we aren't going to get USC, Oregon or any marquee game in Ames for football while being told our yearly games with Oregon State, Wazzu and Colorado are good for us.
The Pac 12 network isn't useful to the teams currently IN the Pac-12.
And UT and OU see is that when all rights are accounted for, their Big12 dollars are competitive with what the SEC and Big 10 are getting, and they get to absolutely run the show in the Big 12.
Yes, KSU and ISU are heavily vested in strengthening the Big 12. Getting stronger non-con schedules are one way to do that, but having those games be with Pac 12 teams doesn't really do it. And the article playing up the "quadruple header" factor being topped off with the 10:30 Eastern kickoff is laughable. Being largely in the central time zone is a great advantage for the Big12. I'd much rather poach a couple PAC teams and try to work out even a one-game non-con arrangement with the SEC or Big 10. You want eyeballs, go east.
Auburn, USC and UCLA have been to Manhattan. No reason that wouldn't happen with a P12 alliance. I would think your AD would insist on it before signing-on.
