Eight flawed teams that are dangerous enough to win a title

[Cyclonepride]

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...ams-that-are-dangerous-enough-to-win-a-title/

"THEY CAN WIN IT ALL BECAUSE: Iowa State has a roster that is built precisely the way that modern basketball is supposed to be played. They have five perimeter players (Marial Shayok, Nick Weiler-Babb, Tyrese Haliburton, Talen Horton-Tucker, Lindell Wigginton) that can on or off the ball — running ball-screens and spacing the floor with their shooting — who are all switchable defensively. They have a pair of big bodies (Michael Jacobson, Cam Lard) in the frontcourt that can score 1-on-1 in the paint, rebound the ball and protect the rim. They have NBA talent on their roster, and are probably the most talented team in the Big 12.

They create matchup problems offensively and have just enough size and versatility defensively that they can matchup well enough with just about anyone."

More at the link (didn't want to quote the whole thing).

 

[VeloClone]

He pretty much hits the nail on the head on what's wrong. Might want to give a nod to rebounding as well, though. When they go up against a team that can take care of the ball you can't count on turnovers forced making up for a rebounding deficit. Rebounding numbers were better against KU so maybe that worm is turning.

 

[Cyclonepride]

He pretty much hits the nail on the head on what's wrong. Might want to give a nod to rebounding as well, though. When they go up against a team that can take care of the ball you can't count on turnovers forced making up for a rebounding deficit. Rebounding numbers were better against KU so maybe that worm is turning.

And what is right

 

[Tre4ISU]

He pretty much hits the nail on the head on what's wrong. Might want to give a nod to rebounding as well, though. When they go up against a team that can take care of the ball you can't count on turnovers forced making up for a rebounding deficit. Rebounding numbers were better against KU so maybe that worm is turning.

What rebounding numbers are you looking at?

 

[Cyclonepride]

What rebounding numbers are you looking at?

Surprisingly, we're still outrebounding our opponents on the year, but I'm guessing we've been outrebounded in Big 12 play.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Our rebounding numbers have been a little overblown. For example look a the Iowa game. Everyone was freaking out about the large rebounding margin but the majority of the discrepancy was because Iowa shot the ball at a high rate and we were throwing bricks.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Surprisingly, we're still outrebounding our opponents on the year, but I'm guessing we've been outrebounded in Big 12 play.

We're slightly above average in defensive rebounding. We aren't good but we aren't bad. We're slightly below in OReb.

 

[knowlesjam]

So, if you take the author's betting lines in order, he has ISU as the #13 team. Something needs to gel for this team to go from the "Team that have been" to the "Team that did." The problem is that more than one thing needs to gel...and that complicates matters...

 

[madguy30]

Just get there first.

 

[DeereClone]

Just get there first.

Thanks, coach. I'll make sure not to look past Ole Miss on Saturday, too.

 

[MJ271]

Our rebounding numbers have been a little overblown. For example look a the Iowa game. Everyone was freaking out about the large rebounding margin but the majority of the discrepancy was because Iowa shot the ball at a high rate and we were throwing bricks.

Exactly, rebounding is mostly a function of missed shots. At times, I've been slightly worried/annoyed about our defensive rebounding, but as Tre4ISU said, we're still an above average team by defensive rebounding rate. I'd still like to see it improve a bit, I think we're vulnerable when we face teams that send their guards to the offensive glass.

 

[VeloClone]

Surprisingly, we're still outrebounding our opponents on the year, but I'm guessing we've been outrebounded in Big 12 play.

Here are our conference game totals:

OSU 37 / 41 -4
KU 26 / 41 -15
BU 26 / 33 -7
KSU 31 / 39 -8
TTU 39 / 37 +2
OSU 28 / 40 -12
KU 36 / 38 -2

Isn't what happens in Big 12 play really what matters, not against a feast of cupcakes early in the year? Isn't that the caliber of teams we will be seeing for virtually the remainder of the season and tournament?

In Big 12 play:
8th in rebounds
10th in rebounds allowed
10th in rebound margin (-6.68)
9th in offensive rebounds
6th in defensive rebounds
10th in defensive rebound percentage
9th in offensive rebound percentage

 

[VeloClone]

Exactly, rebounding is mostly a function of missed shots. At times, I've been slightly worried/annoyed about our defensive rebounding, but as Tre4ISU said, we're still an above average team by defensive rebounding rate. I'd still like to see it improve a bit, I think we're vulnerable when we face teams that send their guards to the offensive glass.

In Big 12 play we are not average. We are one of the worst if not the worst rebounding team in the league so far. Rebounding percentage takes shooting out of it because it is the percentage of missed shots you rebound at each end of the court separately. ISU is last on the defensive glass and second to last on the offensive glass - again as a percentage of available rebounds.

This might change as our schedule changes, but it still is a big concern right now.

 

[Psiclone]

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...ams-that-are-dangerous-enough-to-win-a-title/

"THEY CAN WIN IT ALL BECAUSE: Iowa State has a roster that is built precisely the way that modern basketball is supposed to be played. They have five perimeter players (Marial Shayok, Nick Weiler-Babb, Tyrese Haliburton, Talen Horton-Tucker, Lindell Wigginton) that can on or off the ball — running ball-screens and spacing the floor with their shooting — who are all switchable defensively. They have a pair of big bodies (Michael Jacobson, Cam Lard) in the frontcourt that can score 1-on-1 in the paint, rebound the ball and protect the rim. They have NBA talent on their roster, and are probably the most talented team in the Big 12.

They create matchup problems offensively and have just enough size and versatility defensively that they can matchup well enough with just about anyone."

More at the link (didn't want to quote the whole thing).

"Iowa State needs [Wigg, Lard] to play like they’re capable of if they have any hope of reaching their ceiling." Pretty much what Prohm has been saying. His teams haven't failed to reach their potential by end of conference season yet and I think they will again. The KSU game will be for conference title, need Lard to get up to speed to counter Wade.

 

[VeloClone]

Our rebounding numbers have been a little overblown. For example look a the Iowa game. Everyone was freaking out about the large rebounding margin but the majority of the discrepancy was because Iowa shot the ball at a high rate and we were throwing bricks.

Iowa was 35 of 61 from the field (26 misses) and they had 17 offensive rebounds. Granted, it isn't a perfect analysis because you can occasionally get an offensive board on a FT, but it certainly appears that they got more rebounds (17) off their misses than we did (9). At the other end of the floor ISU went 30 of 64 (34 misses). ISU ended up with 13 offensive rebounds so that leaves roughly 21 for Iowa.

Iowa got more rebounds off of both Iowa's misses and ISU's misses than the 'Clones did. It wasn't all about ISU's shooting.

 

[madguy30]

Thanks, coach. I'll make sure not to look past Ole Miss on Saturday, too.

You act like there's anything beyond Saturday's game.

 

[MJ271]

In Big 12 play we are not average. We are one of the worst if not the worst rebounding team in the league so far. Rebounding percentage takes shooting out of it because it is the percentage of missed shots you rebound at each end of the court separately. ISU is last on the defensive glass and second to last on the offensive glass - again as a percentage of available rebounds.

This might change as our schedule changes, but it still is a big concern right now.

Fair enough, I hadn't looked at conference-only statistics. If we got more offensive rebounds, I wouldn't care as much about the defensive rebound rate. I'd like to see us send some of the guards to the offensive glass a little bit more. It seems like usually only Jacobson or Lard stay in to try for offensive rebounds and everyone else heads down the court. I know we're trying to prevent transition baskets, but I really think we could be a good to great offensive rebounding team if we sent even one more body to the boards.

 

[VeloClone]

Fair enough, I hadn't looked at conference-only statistics. If we got more offensive rebounds, I wouldn't care as much about the defensive rebound rate. I'd like to see us send some of the guards to the offensive glass a little bit more. It seems like usually only Jacobson or Lard stay in to try for offensive rebounds and everyone else heads down the court. I know we're trying to prevent transition baskets, but I really think we could be a good to great offensive rebounding team if we sent even one more body to the boards.

I really think defensive rebounding was the one thing that probably played the most into the Iowa loss that was mentioned earlier. Everyone talks about how players who had done nothing from beyond the arc shot out of their minds in that game. If you know that there is as good or better of a chance that a teammate is going to get the rebound if you miss there is pretty much no pressure on your shot. A relaxed player is going to perform much better. Many of those missed 3 pointers were as good as an entry pass to an open post player.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Iowa was 35 of 61 from the field (26 misses) and they had 17 offensive rebounds. Granted, it isn't a perfect analysis because you can occasionally get an offensive board on a FT, but it certainly appears that they got more rebounds (17) off their misses than we did (9). At the other end of the floor ISU went 30 of 64 (34 misses). ISU ended up with 13 offensive rebounds so that leaves roughly 21 for Iowa.

Iowa got more rebounds off of both Iowa's misses and ISU's misses than the 'Clones did. It wasn't all about ISU's shooting.

Part of the reason they got those rebounds is because most of their shots were bouncing out to 15'.

 

[IcSyU]

Total rebounds is a worthless statistic. Rebounding percentage is what to care about.

If one team has 25 turnovers while the other has 5 the team with 25 turnovers better have more rebounds than the team with 5. The team with 25 turnovers had 20 more shots to get boards.