I second that. LJ is going to be a star for us.
You want to talk about embarrassing a program.. lol
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What does ISU do with LJ?
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I second that. LJ is going to be a star for us.
You want to talk about embarrassing a program.. lol
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Cyclonesrule91 said:
What makes the entire thing bad for me is one of two things happened. He either meant to make that hit after the play or he had no idea where the hell he was on the field to take an angle to hit a player in the end zone. Both are not positive things to have on the field.
Just FYI, the results of the poll aren't binding in Chizik's decision in terms of how to handle it. They are just an interesting insight into how the fanbase feels about it.
And yes, I think the fanbase is entitled to it's opinion as to how Chizik should run his program, and this clearly falls into the "how Chizik should run his program" category. Using your logic, you might just as well shut down the entire ISU football forum, because clearly nobody should be passing judgement on the ISU football program because they aren't in it.
The hit was definitely a cheap shot that could absolutely be labeled as a "dirty" hit. The quarterback was 5 yards into the endzone and LJ knew it was going to be a late hit. We know he is aggressive, and I love it, but he needs to know to not do stupid things on the field.
He is being punished for it and we will all move on.
He is being punished for it and we will all move on.
I for one, did not feel shame for being a Cyclone when I saw LJ's late hit on the QB. The QB had crossed the plane of the goal and was still running and LJ popped him hard. It is the same thing as a player tackling a ball carrier out of bounds. Sometimes the momentum carries you into the play and rather than doing the right thing and pull up, the emotion gets to you and you follow through with the hit. This isn't even a blip on the radar as far as a reflection on the University. Some of you are making this into a "situation". It is NOT. Player made a late hit. Happens in football alot. Let it go.
No, you're misconstruing my logic. My logic is that the fanbase is certainly free to say, "Hey, I don't like what's happening, something should be done about it." Or even, "I really don't like what's happening, Coach, and I'm really concerned about what's going on." That's fine. It's also not what people are doing.
When people start arguing and debating, however, and speaking in terms which involve a significant portion of a young man's future, then they're out of bounds. They're drawing a conclusion, setting a verdict to which they have no right. It's become prevalent in this country lately to make an evaluation and a decision when you don't have all of the information, and just because people have become accustomed to it, doesn't make it right.
As a matter of fact, anyone who says "Leonard Johnson should be dismissed from this team immediately" is actually setting themself up saying that they know better than Gene Chizik, they can make a snap judgement right away, I'm smarter than he is, what does he know?
And they're basing that decision on a few seconds of video, or even worse, the description by radio announcers--and the emotional feedback of the people in these forums.
Gene Chizik has those same few seconds. Live, and in person. He has more tape, if he needs it. He also has months of knowing Leonard Johnson, and the feedback of Johnson's position coaches and coordinators. And teammates. All of them have known LJ for months, they know who he is and what he's about far better than anyone on a message board.
And if you go so far as to say "Johnson should be kicked off the team"...you're saying that you know better than they do. That's the truth, and that's wrong. The same goes if you argue about the length of a suspension, or call the kid "dirty", or insinuate that he "loves" making helmet-to-helmet hits. You don't know. And the worst thing is--you haven't tried to know before rushing to judgment.
Knee-jerk responses. Snap judgements. Oh yeah, that's my "right", and I'm sticking to it. No one wants to admit, in this day and age, that they don't know everything. That there's information out there that they aren't privy to, or haven't taken the time to look for, but that doesn't matter. All that matters, is that they can say what they want to say.
Even when it involves another person's life. And that's wrong--and I don't just mean "mistaken".
Football is similar to hockey in that it is a violent game and there are penalties set up to deal with it as such.
From your comments on this whole deal I'm thinking you thought the game was flag football or something. Yes, it was a late hit and a bad PF. Yes, you're out of your gourd if you think he should get any suspension longer than what the NCAA is already mandating.
Hugs and juice boxes everybody, and lets all just get along and have fun playing together :wink:
So you're saying it's ok to make broad judgments but not specific ones?
So I can say "the offense is bad and I don't like it", but I can't say "bench Arnaud and play Bates"?
And if I say "boy I sure don't like the direction the athletic department is going", that's ok, but I can't say "fire Pollard and find someone different"?
If I were to say that LJ should be kicked off the team, that's just my opinion. It has no bearing as to whether or not he actually SHOULD be kicked off the team. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it appears that roughly 8 percent that voted in the poll think he should be gone.
Just like the rest of the message board, what people say on here has very little impact on what actually goes on inside the program. This whole debate is nothing more than people spouting their opinions, which they are entitled to, even if YOUR opinion is that they shouldn't have one (apparently). That's sort of the point of the whole messageboard. Give people a place to discuss ISU athletics.
LJ has been given a scholarship to go to ISU, and the privilege of starting for the football team. His responsibility to the university includes representing the school on the football field. 3 personal fouls and one ejection in 2 games, including 2 on nearly back-to-back plays is not the sort of representation our university deserves, IMO.
That's where the similarities end, though. The equivalent for doing what LJ did in Hockey is getting charged with assault.
No, I know that it's football. I'm on record as saying I don't mind a PF or two as long as it's honest and comes from being over aggressive.
I do NOT want to become the Oakland Raiders of the big 12.
If it was just one late hit by LJ yesterday I think everyone would agree. But it was his 2nd of the game and his 4th of the year in just 4 games. That calls for more drastic action than the minimum NCAA suspension.
Has no one ever made a friggin mistake? You guys get on here and start ******** about how a play like this is worthy of getting kicked off and how his age has nothing to do with it. I call ********, you are getting your *** kicked around the football field and you get frustrated, if you have ever played sports, you know this. His inexperience, aggressive mentality and other variables can contribute to a lot of bad decision making. Yes LJ screwed up big time, but some of the things being said here are pure crap. Hypocrisy runs deep, he made a mistake playing a football game, he let emotion and adrenaline get the best of him and that will be fixed, by Chizik himself. An 18 year old may be an adult, but that doesn't mean they always make adult decisions. Punish him, make him earn your respect back, but dont get up on a horse and preach about right versus wrong, age and decision making when such strong emotions are envolved.
Bull hockey. No pun intended. He didn't even knock any teeth out. That was no different than slamming someone into the wall and wrestling around for a while as all the crowd cheers and the game is disrupted--then sitting in the penalty box for a few minutes.
I think there' a reason that's the NCAA penalty--because it reflects what he has done. I'm also pretty sure that if there were a penalty for quantity, the NCAA would have one. They seem to cover all the other bases. :skeptical:
As I keep repeating. I'll happily let Chizik sort it out.
What did LJ do?
I couldn't watch the game, damn mediacom....
There is lots of talk about how to punish him, but what is this stemming from?
Thanks
I couldn't watch the game, damn mediacom....
There is lots of talk about how to punish him, but what is this stemming from?
Thanks
Re: What did LJ do?
late hit. very late hit. this followed a personal foul only a few plays earlier. it is getting blown wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of proportion.
late hit. very late hit. this followed a personal foul only a few plays earlier. it is getting blown wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of proportion.
well that makes at least 2 of us. i can't figure out why no one else seems on board with this.
Wow. Apparently the percentage of literate people in Iowa is lower than they always bragged about. I was not comparing Leonard Johnson's hit to rape. Ever. READ THE ORIGINAL POST. I was taking issue with some one who said he liked the hit. My point was that condoning a cheap shot is bad. I used an extreme example to illustrate that point. I never compared what Johnson did to what happened in Iowa City. My only point was that to make a comment stating you think it's good when our players are taking obvious cheap shots after the play is ridiculous. Learn to FING read.
None of the other 18 year old kids getting beat up out there did this. I don't see how age has anything to do with this.
I didn't mean to say that the same physical act would get you charged with assault in hockey. Hockey has a "penalty box" for people who commit what amounts to a personal foul. Football has a 15 yard penalty. What would you have to do in a hockey game to get actually kicked out? Not just sent to the penalty box, but actually kicked out of the game?
That's what we are talking about here. What LJ did actually got him thrown out of a game.
And it goes beyond what just the NCAA thinks. This is about having pride in your team and what you do, and representing the school and fans. The NCAA doesn't have any rules about having to win so many games per year either in order to maintain 1A status. Does that mean it doesn't matter if we win or lose? The NCAA doesn't have an issue with JJ Bass' academic difficulties so long as he passes. Does that mean Chizik is wrong to put him in the doghouse?
