it very well may have been just that...my point, bud, is that if the coaches were in a bad spot with this kid, maybe best to just leave well enough alone and remove the problem. You don't need to understand wrestling to not get yourself and a program in a predicament if it's not necessary.
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it very well may have been just that...my point, bud, is that if the coaches were in a bad spot with this kid, maybe best to just leave well enough alone and remove the problem. You don't need to understand wrestling to not get yourself and a program in a predicament if it's not necessary.
fair questions...I've not wrestled but have seen enough to know what you are talking about. It's only an issue to me because Storr mentions the incident in his release and claims the staff admitted it wasn't necessary. My only point is that if the coaches knew it was going down hill, just get rid of the problem and don't make it worse. Whether it was what Storr says it was may not be important. That people saw it happen and the rest came out is what makes it worse.
Whatever, I'm not a wrestler so I don't get it. I'm going to go shove one of my staff and see if I can get some more production out of them.
I have zero issue of the coaches and administration being held to a higher standard. I don’t agree with a few of your posts in how things are handled. I know each kid should be coached differently. It’s why you have multiple coaches on the staff.
I don’t think you are “soft” for your opinion but I also don’t agree with you. It’s quite clear with multiple witness accounts that this wasn’t a “shove” like storr is making it out to be. I also thinks he needs to be held responsible for his actions. As do the paulsons. Should metcalf get a free pass for going hands on after a match? Probably not but as a wrestler myself, it’s high intensity, high emotion, break neck pace almost your whole wrestling life. I know looking back that I wish I would have responded differently in many situations but there are also others that gave me a wake up call.
In wrestling, coaches are hands on in the practice room every practice of every day. Emotion is always high and tense. Match days are even more so.
To be honest, I think storr has always been supremely gifted, he has more talent in his pinky than 99% of the other wrestlers at every level. I don’t think life has punched him in the face very often or set him back and he didn’t handle that well. He lashed out, and it’s devolved into this mess. He has clearly tried to back track with his Des Moines register points and save his own butt.
As to your point about me not knowing much behind the scenes, I’ll just state I know more than you think and leave it at that.
fair questions...I've not wrestled but have seen enough to know what you are talking about. It's only an issue to me because Storr mentions the incident in his release and claims the staff admitted it wasn't necessary. My only point is that if the coaches knew it was going down hill, just get rid of the problem and don't make it worse. Whether it was what Storr says it was may not be important. That people saw it happen and the rest came out is what makes it worse.
Whatever, I'm not a wrestler so I don't get it. I'm going to go shove one of my staff and see if I can get some more production out of them.
You keep bringing up the shove like it was violent, even after numerous witnesses have said it wasn't. I am sorry you view this as such a negative and/or are a poor attempt at a troll. I guess we will agree to disagree on what is now the "shove"
thanks...I appreciate all that you wrote and agree with nearly all of it...FWIW. I would bet that the bolded part above is probably more the situation than anything. I wish the coaches might have recognized that but just cut their losses instead of get embroiled with all of it. I also bet that they had best intentions and were trying to get a kid to do what he was capable of. Just hate the negative press it gives the program. We've had enough issues recently.
no, i really don't bring it up like it was violent. Where did I ever imply that? I'm not trolling either. I disagree with how the situation was handled, and the "shove" or "push" or "pat on the ass" or whatever is simply part of it that apparently became big enough to Storr that he felt it necessary to mention.
I wrestled in high school and the coaches would wrestle with the kids in practice. It would get pretty intense sometimes from both the wrestler and coach. Nothing I would deem as abuse. I can't imagine what it's like in the room at this level. I know the "shove" that Storr got in the meet was nothing to what he got in practice, physically or emotionally.
I'm not going to go as far as to call Kanen Storr soft. College wrestling is really tough, mentally and physically, and he's been pretty successful at it, so I'm not sure "soft" is the word I'd use to describe him.
However, I also wouldn't use the word "shove" when talking about what happened between him and Metcalf. He ushered him away from the mat and toward the locker room area, because that's what he was taught as a wrestler, and I am okay with that. I think people are just seeing the word "shove" in Storr's statement and assume Metcalf put both hands on his chest and threw him back five feet, and that isn't what happened.
Regardless, this doesn't look good for anyone. No matter what, ISU wrestling is in the news for all the wrong reasons. Hopefully this gets dealt with quickly and quietly, and if that means the Paulsons aren't punished for tampering, then so be it. I'd rather have our staff and program move on if it means this story goes away.
However, I also wouldn't use the word "shove" when talking about what happened between him and Metcalf. He ushered him away from the mat and toward the locker room area, because that's what he was taught as a wrestler, and I am okay with that. I think people are just seeing the word "shove" in Storr's statement and assume Metcalf put both hands on his chest and threw him back five feet, and that isn't what happened.
Regardless, this doesn't look good for anyone. No matter what, ISU wrestling is in the news for all the wrong reasons. Hopefully this gets dealt with quickly and quietly, and if that means the Paulsons aren't punished for tampering, then so be it. I'd rather have our staff and program move on if it means this story goes away.
Ironically, you’re one of the only persons in this thread making it negative.
Nope. Im also not ok with my disrespecting the coach. If you cant handle criticism life will be very hard
Maybe I mis-read your view on the "shove". I think the "shove" is a nice sympathy card to play at this point. Stated he didn't feel safe within the program? I don't know how else the staff should have handled this. Give the kid a chance, tell him they want him 100% bought in, tell him not to be in contact with coaches from another school (NCAA violation), and then when he doesn't agree to that stuff, ask him to leave and give him a FULL RELEASE?
I truly didn't view Storr any worse or better than I did previously. Things don't work out with coaches and athletes sometimes, I understand that. I think he made a great decision for himself. But his public statement just rubs me the wrong way, and isn't accomplishing anything for himself.
what is sad is that we've become a society where everyone is so litigious that coaches have to be careful about what they do.
I remember as a kid going to ISU meets, one in particular when Gable was the coach, and he would literally slap the **** out of some guys before they got on the mat. I get it from an athlete/coach point of view but you never know how someone would respond if they aren't happy with something.
I remember as a kid going to ISU meets, one in particular when Gable was the coach, and he would literally slap the **** out of some guys before they got on the mat. I get it from an athlete/coach point of view but you never know how someone would respond if they aren't happy with something.
I agree! There has been enough bad press and negative issues. I’d like to believe that this will all be worked out and everyone moves forward but I have a feeling that storr just opened up a can of worms and this could get worse before it gets better.
I think that's just the social media blowing things out of proportion response. If you read what Storr put out and what the coaches have said nobody is contradicting each other. I think it just came down to Storr wanting/expecting one kind of coaching and the staff providing a different kind. This caused tension and the Paulsons lending Storr a sympathetic ear made it worse. And after things deteriorated things started to get blown out of proportion (I agree that the "shove" wasn't anything but I wouldn't assume that was the only thing that was throwing him off or say he was "weak" because that one example wasn't a big deal) because there was more stewing in the background.
At the end of the day nobody looks great but nobody looks super bad. Probably the Paulsons look the worst for not telling him to buy in and give it a full season to see what happened. Storr looks like a confused college kid and Dresser looks like a guy dealing with implementing a new coaching approach. The only caveat is I think you have to wait and see what happens in the offseason to see if Zadick is a guy who is a hard ass or if he crosses the line, and you'll only see that when you see if other guys transfer out. Wrestling is a tough sport and coaches are expected to push guys to get the best out of them, but that doesn't excuse being abusive. To be clear I'm not saying that he is. I'm saying you just have to wait and see if there is an exodus after guys spend a year with him running practice.
Dresser should have never made the tampering claim public on Takedown Radio. Let's assume it's 100% true and a blatant NCAA violation, go through the proper channels to report a possible violation, let the NCAA investigate and keep your mouth shut. Had he done that Kanen probably doesn't issue a statement on Twitter or talk to the DSM Register. "It just didn't work out" was all we really needed to hear at that time.
He's our guy so most of us are going to give him the benefit of the doubt but he's been a D1 Head Coach for 12 years now, he should have known better.
He's our guy so most of us are going to give him the benefit of the doubt but he's been a D1 Head Coach for 12 years now, he should have known better.
So if Storr would've won the match & Metcalf patted him on the back as he left the mat, would you be ok with that? That is physical contact. If you weren't there to see it for yourself, then you shouldn't even be commenting on this subject.
Agree with what you are saying, and one major worry with this new staff isn't that they may be over the top, or abusive, but rather just the overall change from the previous staff. Seems like wrestlers had it easy and got away with stuff, and some got special treatment. Now, seems like every one is being held accountable and getting called out and getting some tough love, with some wrestlers reacting better to it than others. Its a much needed change in this program and there will be some guys that leave.
Why shouldn't he have said that? He even stated he speaks his mind and sometimes it gets him in trouble. Him bringing the tampering to the public was not a shot at an athlete, it was a shot at assistants from another school breaking NCAA rules. I am fine with it. He didn't go over the top with it, or make any ridiculous claims. Storr backs up the story (maybe on accident?) in his release.
