REPORT: Top 4 expansion candidates

Cloneon

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Marketable to whom? The Mountain West or the All American Conference?

Iowa State has very good fan base support. But today's market is all about television revenue. Maryland and Rutgers were not added to the Big Ten because of their awesome Athletic Departments. It was all about TV sets.

Bottom line is that we need decent TV markets to add to the numbers in the league for the CCG. The Big 12 is all about the market appeal of Oklahoma and Texas. That is it. Sprinkle in some decent programs for them to play and have a CCG. If a team like Baylor or TCU can emerge as champion with a great record and CCG win, then they will go to the CFP. But otherwise this is all about Oklahoma and Texas. They are the Big Boys.

You are not going to poach ACC teams because of the GOR that those teams have given the Conference. Big 12 has a GOR as well. And it is in Iowa State's best interest to expand and then get the GOR extended. Big 10 is not coming for Iowa State. They are looking for the next big state with TV sets to market their Big Ten network.

The longer that Iowa State stays in a Power 5 Conference, the better the chances of survival if change does take place. If we do nothing, then it will be easy for Texas and Oklahoma to leave. At that time we will be hoping for additions to add to a fledgeling conference that won't have the presence of an Oklahoma or Texas to leverage a decent TV contract.

Do you honestly know where Iowa State was going to land when the Big 12 almost folded? Having our head in the sand is a much preferred place to where your head is located.

'Geographic' TV markets is a dying philosophy. The internet is seeing to that. And, in that vein, 'national marketing' is essential to growing name brand. ISU has an enormous alumni base. And, it's very clear their patronage is assured. It also has one of the most dynamic names of which we're seeing some incredible videos being developed. So, what I'm trying to say is expanding the league into different geographical markets should not be for the TV viewership, but rather for the league marketing.
 

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Can someone please give me the Cliffs Notes rundown on why expansion is so necessary? Particularly in respect to a CCG. I thought they shot down that rule back in January?

And why is expansion so great for ISU exactly? Is is purely the idea that we go back to not playing OU and Tex every year?
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-at-oklahoma-over-potential-big-12-expansion/

OU decision makers don't want expansion. They want out of the Big XII.

That article pretty much solidifies my opinion that there is no way the Big 12 expands with a P5 candidate. The biggest proponent of conference expansion has been David Boren and now this article comes out and blasts not only Boren, but de-values the potential expansion candidates, while also confirming that OU was practically out the door in 2010.
 

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The fact that UCF isnt on this list shows the short-sightedness of the big 12. Building a huge alumni base and gets a foothold for conference recruitment into florida.

Colorado State? That state didnt even care about Colorado, and the big 12 lost little when they left. Their little brother CSU wouldnt bring much of anything to the big 12. BYU? Hell no.
 

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That article pretty much solidifies my opinion that there is no way the Big 12 expands with a P5 candidate. The biggest proponent of conference expansion has been David Boren and now this article comes out and blasts not only Boren, but de-values the potential expansion candidates, while also confirming that OU was practically out the door in 2010.

Reading that article, to me it seemed they were more concerned with money and keeping up with the financial TV packages of SEC and Big 10. To me it sounded like OU didn't want to add any schools because there was no gain in overall financial impact to OU.
 

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From a travel perspective:
Ames to Tampa - 1400 miles
Morgantown to Lubbock - 1,450 miles
Morgantown to Fort Collins - 1,500 miles
Storrs to Fort Collins - 1,900 miles
Morgantown to Provo - 1,900 miles
Lubbock to Storrs - 1,950 miles
Provo to Storrs - 2,300
 
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Reading that article, to me it seemed they were more concerned with money and keeping up with the financial TV packages of SEC and Big 10. To me it sounded like OU didn't want to add any schools because there was no gain in overall financial impact to OU.

OU will be out of the Big XII at or near the end of the GoR. If there is no expansion they don't have to sign an extension. The Big XII can't keep up with the B1G/SEC financially and the OU brass isn't going to let their football team fall behind.
 
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Can someone please give me the Cliffs Notes rundown on why expansion is so necessary? Particularly in respect to a CCG. I thought they shot down that rule back in January?

And why is expansion so great for ISU exactly? Is is purely the idea that we go back to not playing OU and Tex every year?

At the expansion meetings the schools were all shown a study, from my understanding, of how a CCG would affect the chances of making the CFP. Odds went from 62% without a CCG to over 75% with a CCG. So not having a CCG puts the Big 12 at a competitive disadvantage to the other conferences. CFP is what Oklahoma wants. And Texas as well, if and when they get better again. So having a CCG is something that is wanted. The study also concluded that those odds included having 2 six team divisions. Having only 8 Conference games increased the odds over having 9 Conference games. Playing the Round Robin schedule in football was hurting the league as far as the CFP was concerned. Other Conferences having a CCG meant their best teams were playing 13 games instead of 12.

It would be silly to play a CCG with everyone already playing a Round Robin. The odds of making the CFP go down when that happens. So you want 2 six team divisions and a CCG.
 

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OU will be out of the Big XII at or near the end of the GoR. If there is no expansion they don't have to sign an extension. The Big XII can't keep up the B1G/SEC financially and the OU brass isn't going to let their football team fall behind.


Leaving the conference has worked well for Nebraska. Every team that has left the Big 12 has gotten worse in the major sports.
 

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JP ought to say the hell with it and back door a deal with KU, BYU and Boise to join the Pac 12.

The first conference to 16 wins.
 

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From a travel perspective:
Ames to Tampa - 1400 miles
Morgantown to Lubbock - 1,450 miles
Morgantown to Fort Collins - 1,500 miles
Storrs to Fort Collins - 1,900 miles
Morgantown to Provo - 1,900 miles
Lubbock to Storrs - 1,950 miles
Provo to Storrs - 2,300

Cincinatti to Provo - 1,668 miles
 

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Marketable to whom? The Mountain West or the All American Conference?

Iowa State has very good fan base support. But today's market is all about television revenue. Maryland and Rutgers were not added to the Big Ten because of their awesome Athletic Departments. It was all about TV sets.

Bottom line is that we need decent TV markets to add to the numbers in the league for the CCG. The Big 12 is all about the market appeal of Oklahoma and Texas. That is it. Sprinkle in some decent programs for them to play and have a CCG. If a team like Baylor or TCU can emerge as champion with a great record and CCG win, then they will go to the CFP. But otherwise this is all about Oklahoma and Texas. They are the Big Boys.

You are not going to poach ACC teams because of the GOR that those teams have given the Conference. Big 12 has a GOR as well. And it is in Iowa State's best interest to expand and then get the GOR extended. Big 10 is not coming for Iowa State. They are looking for the next big state with TV sets to market their Big Ten network.

The longer that Iowa State stays in a Power 5 Conference, the better the chances of survival if change does take place. If we do nothing, then it will be easy for Texas and Oklahoma to leave. At that time we will be hoping for additions to add to a fledgeling conference that won't have the presence of an Oklahoma or Texas to leverage a decent TV contract.

Do you honestly know where Iowa State was going to land when the Big 12 almost folded? Having our head in the sand is a much preferred place to where your head is located.

Lol...yes. Absolutely. Cincinnati is the answer. I stand corrected, tough guy
 

weR138

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Leaving the conference has worked well for Nebraska. Every team that has left the Big 12 has gotten worse in the major sports.

Doesn't matter. If OU isn't getting what UNL & Mizzou are getting there will be groundswell to find a greener pasture...regardless of what that means on the field.
 

Stormin

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Lol...yes. Absolutely. Cincinnati is the answer. I stand corrected, tough guy

You have not told us the potential schools for expansion that you consider viable. The GOR makes it pretty much impossible unless you are going to poach SEC teams.

Your solution is to have the band play while the Titanic is sinking.
 

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You have not told us the potential schools for expansion that you consider viable. The GOR makes it pretty much impossible unless you are going to poach SEC teams.

Your solution is to have the band play while the Titanic is sinking.

There aren't any. That's the point. The conference will not survive. That's my entire point. It doesn't make financial sense to add unless something crazy happens where strong current p5 members go free agent.

The Big 8 tried to be proactive, but actually made a deal with the devil. Enjoy the league until the GOR expires and hope for the best.

My mind the best is for the NCAA to go NFL and collectively market the TV packages and split revenue, but that's blue sky
 

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I suspect BYU is outside the list. UCONN, Cincinnati and Tulane on the inside. Cannot see any way in the world that Memphis is in the conversation.
 

Stormin

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There aren't any. That's the point. The conference will not survive. That's my entire point. It doesn't make financial sense to add unless something crazy happens where strong current p5 members go free agent.

The Big 8 tried to be proactive, but actually made a deal with the devil. Enjoy the league until the GOR expires and hope for the best.

My mind the best is for the NCAA to go NFL and collectively market the TV packages and split revenue, but that's blue sky

The prudent strategy is to expand the conference. And when the Conference expands then the GOR is extended. Your strategy is doomsday for Iowa State. How long have you been a Hawkeye fan?
 

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Iowa will not go to bat for ISU in the Big Ten. They've proven that already. It's too bad, too, because the Big Ten (at least pre-Maryland/Rutgers) was the ideal geological and cultural fit for ISU, but that train sailed 80 years ago. Now, if it were possible to kick Iowa out of the Big Ten and take us in their place, we'd probably have a few allies inside that conference in making that happen. But Iowa is golden, and they won't help us.


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