List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[NobodyBeatsCy]

If our AD is going to spend $100,000+ for appearance purposes, he should be fired.

No offense, but your experience is awful. From my experience, when multiple people who actually know the guy and are 1,00,000x more connected to the ISU athletic department swear over and over he wasn't promised anything why in the world would I choose to believe random internet message board posters with no connections saying otherwise. That makes zero sense.

Yes, I can now see that leaving a position in order to come to a school where there is a high likelihood that the program would be turned upside-down in a month, and your new job would be at risk would make a lot of sense. Either he's an idiot, or you are. If Fred could not commit to Diallo that he'd be here, how could he commit to Otz?

 

[501Clone]

I wonder if TJ gets hired which current assistants would stay on staff

 

[ISUChippewa]

Pretty obvious that a search is being done. A recruiting firm has been hired. IIRC, every coaching vacancy has been done with a search and application process. Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't think I've ever written that you're wrong. Honestly, it feels like you're picking fights on here for the sole purpose of picking fights.

I get the impression that you're totally on board with TJ being given the reins, and that he's your preferred choice. That's fine; it's neither right nor wrong, it's your opinion. Same thing for those of us who don't have TJ as the #1 option and would like to have other names vetted and explored. It doesn't make us right or wrong, it's our opinion. We have just as much a right to that opinion as you do to yours.

 

[clone52]

TJ absolutely should be considered. And I even said I would be okay with it if we do end up with him. But we need to at least see who else would be interested at a salary a serious P5 program would offer. We can't just hand TJ the job because "consistency" or "recruiting".

I agree with this. TJ should be the default and only candidate, but its entirely possible that Pollard/Leath have already vetted, talked about all potential candidates and have a decision already made.

 

[clone52]

And all transitioned from the NBA back to college...which is what you asked.

I thought I asked for a coach who transitioned from NBA to college without any previous college experience.

My apologies, i ddin't make that clear in my post.

 

[Stormin]

TJ absolutely should be considered. And I even said I would be okay with it if we do end up with him. But we need to at least see who else would be interested at a salary a serious P5 program would offer. We can't just hand TJ the job because "consistency" or "recruiting".

It is pretty obvious with the hiring of a recruiting firm that is not the case. There will be an application process, interview process and then a selection made from candidates. Which is the way that every coaching job at Iowa State has been done. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[clone52]

Hornacek would be an unprecedented hire. Hiring a coach, with no college coaching experience at all (head or assistant), directly from the NBA to the a head coaching gig in college.

Avery Johnson at Auburn is the same thing, so I guess Horny would be the second time that happened.

 

[TykeClone]

I thought I asked for a coach who transitioned from NBA to college without any previous college experience.

My apologies, i ddin't make that clear in my post.

no problem - I may have misread that.

I do think that there is plenty of evidence that NBA coaches can do well at the college level and I'm not sure that there are many examples of such coaches flaming out at the college level (although there are countless examples of college coaches failing in the NBA).

 

[rholtgraves]

Pollard is going to get the best coach for Iowa State IMO. Of the choices listed, Hornacek is the only one that will given pretty big money......same as Hoiberg.....IMO. Which is around $2.5 million plus......it has longevity, which is a big factor as well.

As far as the other choices, I don't see how being the coach at Murray State or Boise State makes that candidate a no-brainer to be hired at Iowa State as the Head Coach. And with the team we have coming back for next and the golden opportunity that presents, an AD would be wise to use that as leverage in getting the next head coach. Simply opening the checkbook does not guarantee success. Look at Licklighter and Iowa, if you need a reminder.

Interesting article here. Butler hired Licklighter's replacement who was an assistant coach at Butler at the time he left. A guy named Brad Stephens.

http://archive.hawkcentral.com/2014/01/15/todd-lickliter-says-he-regrets-leaving-butler-for-iowa/

The problem is a guy is unlikely to jump if he is having success at his school and making decent money. Guys aren't just jumping at the first opportunity anymore to move up. Look at Smart, Marshall, Miller, Mack etc. Florida's new coach had turned Tennessee and Missouri in previous years. Part of getting them to come to your school is paying them the going rate. If you offer 1 mill they might pass and wait for something better. It's not like ISU is a destination school. I would say even to get someone like Prohm they are going to have to offer around 1.5-2. They aren't going to get a good coach on the cheap unless it's Otz. I imagine he would do it for around 1 mill with the thought he can negotiate more pay after a good season

 

[CloniesForLife]

Hornacek would be an unprecedented hire. Hiring a coach, with no college coaching experience at all (head or assistant), directly from the NBA to the a head coaching gig in college.

Avery Johnson at Auburn is the same thing, so I guess Horny would be the second time that happened.

So do you not think Hornacek would be a good hire? What exactly are you arguing?

 

[Stormin]

Hahaha. Been a Cyclone fan for over 40 years and NOT ONE fellow Cyclone fan I know saw McD as even a decent hire, let alone a great one. In the case we find ourselves in, the iron is hot, and Pollard MUST set the bar as high as he can.

Really??? McDermott had taken UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA Tournaments before he was hired as Iowa State's Coach. Your memory is bad.

 

[Havs]

Really??? McDermott had taken UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA Tournaments before he was hired as Iowa State's Coach. Your memory is bad.

I'll back Stormin up on this one. Iowa State was facing a situation regarding NCAA disciplinary issues regarding improper scheduling issues and academics. The program needed a successful coach with a clean record. Greg McDermott was that guy, having success at UNI that had not been seen in Cedar Falls since the very early 90s, and was a good hire for Iowa State. However, following his hiring, he didn't live up to expectations, and he left before the pitchforks would have gotten to him following the 10-11 season. For as frustrating as that era was, Greg McDermott was not a bad hire; Greg McDermott was simply unable to succeed based upon player personnel issues.

 

[IAStubborn]

Not at all. If we get a home run hire to replace Fred, I don't care if he is here for 2 years.

But I do think if we can maintain our success, we will shed the stepping stone label and could find someone who would consider this a destination job. But clearly we aren't there yet.

Is Oregon Football a stepping stone? Kentucky Basketball? Notre dame football? Select schools have the ability to hire good enough coaches to be stepping stones to the NFL or NBA traditionally. If we are a consistant "stepping stone" to NBA with exception to the once a generation lifer we are doing something right. Good coaches will want to coach at ISU as it isn't seen as career dead end but a launching pad to the biggest stage. How many coaches has Iowa launched to the NBA? Yep. Their hay day made them a stepping stone to a blue blood.

It is a good thing to be a stepping stone to the NBA and unless we become the New York Knicks we will always have that possibility.

 

[ejcs]

Pollard is going to get the best coach for Iowa State IMO. Of the choices listed, Hornacek is the only one that will given pretty big money......same as Hoiberg.....IMO. Which is around $2.5 million plus......it has longevity, which is a big factor as well.

As far as the other choices, I don't see how being the coach at Murray State or Boise State makes that candidate a no-brainer to be hired at Iowa State as the Head Coach. And with the team we have coming back for next and the golden opportunity that presents, an AD would be wise to use that as leverage in getting the next head coach. Simply opening the checkbook does not guarantee success. Look at Licklighter and Iowa, if you need a reminder.

Interesting article here. Butler hired Licklighter's replacement who was an assistant coach at Butler at the time he left. A guy named Brad Stephens.

http://archive.hawkcentral.com/2014/01/15/todd-lickliter-says-he-regrets-leaving-butler-for-iowa/

Please stop. I like you better when when you're defending CPR.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

no problem - I may have misread that.

I do think that there is plenty of evidence that NBA coaches can do well at the college level and I'm not sure that there are many examples of such coaches flaming out at the college level (although there are countless examples of college coaches failing in the NBA).

It's rare to become even an NBA head coach without and college assistant experience. The sample size can't be large. And those good enough to get NBA HC jobs without ever working in college are probably good enough to never need/want to go down to the college level.

 

[DesignerClone]

Really??? McDermott had taken UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA Tournaments before he was hired as Iowa State's Coach. Your memory is bad.

Its not my memory, its my multitude of Cyclone friends. McD was NOT seen as even remotely a good hire by any of them, most who have been lifelong basketball season ticket holders.

 

[Stormin]

I don't think I've ever written that you're wrong. Honestly, it feels like you're picking fights on here for the sole purpose of picking fights.

I get the impression that you're totally on board with TJ being given the reins, and that he's your preferred choice. That's fine; it's neither right nor wrong, it's your opinion. Same thing for those of us who don't have TJ as the #1 option and would like to have other names vetted and explored. It doesn't make us right or wrong, it's our opinion. We have just as much a right to that opinion as you do to yours.

Actually I am not totally on board with Otz being given the reins. Not sure he is even the #1 option.

IMO, Otz might be much preferred over any of the low-major HC coaches on CW's list. Not real impressed with any of them. And not sure they would be better than Otz.

The only thing I have done is offer rebuttal that Otz has no experience. Otz actually has quite a bit of experience as an Assistant Coach at Power 5 schools for many years and experience as a recruiter in which he is acknowledge to be very good at.

There are plusses and minuses with every candidate mentioned. Fred was actually a very big gamble when he was first hired. The risk in taking transfers paid off handsomely for Fred.

 

[Stormin]

Its not my memory, its my multitude of Cyclone friends. McD was NOT seen as even remotely a good hire by any of them, most who have been lifelong basketball season ticket holders.

From what pool of candidates was McDermott chosen?

 

[Beyerball]

I agree with this. TJ should be the default and only candidate, but its entirely possible that Pollard/Leath have already vetted, talked about all potential candidates and have a decision already made.

How can you possibly feel that TJ should be the only candidate with what's at stake? I mean if Pollards best buddy ends up being the HC so be it but to say JP and Leath shouldn't be considering other options is just silly.

 

[cycloneworld]

Can you name a single coach who's only experience was at the NBA level before becoming a head coach in college basketball? Why do think there is very little risk there?

Has it ever happened?

There is risk in ANY hire. But, again, if you asked a risk management to analyze Hornacek and TJ, I would bet my house that Hornacek would be much, much less risky.