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I understand it is real long shot but I would be very happy with Kenny Atkinson. He is currently an assistant for the Atl Hawks and seems to be well thought of in the NBA ranks. He is a player development guy and coaches the Dominican national team that could open recruiting pipelines
 
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If we picked TJ as the replacement when he was hired...then I'm disappointed. I cannot believe we would do that given ISU is a quality P5 job with huge fan support. You would hope JP would at least wait until interest could be gauged from other potential coaches...95% of which wouldn't have had a clue there would be an opening.
 
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One thing to keep in mind, the "consensus" position by the very vocal minority on CF 6 years ago was it was a horrible mistake to hire Fred instead of Billy Gillespe.
 
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Jeremy said:
Don't forget that Chris and I were also in on it as we have been laying the ground work for people to accept TJ - that reminds me, I need to text JP and have him send over the check:wink:
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Honestly, if Fred does leave, I hope this was all a huge conspriacy. Its the perfect way for Fred to leave.

Lets take the NBA out of it for a moment. Lets say Fred had to retire due to health reasons. We're all super sad, but completely understand. When finding the replacement, would us fans want Jamie to do his own thing, or would we want Jamie to get Fred's input on the replace. Fred being the brilliant basketball savant, I'd want Jamie to get Fred's input.

If my thoughts on the conspiracy are correct (and I don't truly believe its a huge conspiracy, but home that it is), then it explains every single thing that has happened. Romar could have legitimately spilled the beans. The strange recruiting things could be explained by Fred and TJ being honest with recruits and those recruits not wanting to go to Iowa State if Fred wasn't here. For the fans who think Fred should have resigned to not let his successor be behind the 8-ball recruiting, this conspiracy explains that perfectly by allowing Fred and TJ to recruit by telling the truth.

If its true, should they have said so publically? No way. The outcry would have been horrendous. Its bad enough now, but it would be worse then. Fred's family could have been hounded by crazy fans begging him to stay or crazier fans ****** off at him for leaving. In no way would being open and honest about it publically have helped anything.
 
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xr4ticlone said:
If we picked TJ as the replacement when he was hired...then I'm disappointed. I cannot believe we would do that given ISU is a quality P5 job with huge fan support. You would hope JP would at least wait until interest could be gauged from other potential coaches...95% of which wouldn't have had a clue there would be an opening.
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What if Fred told Jamie that TJ would be the perfect coach to replace him? Do you think Fred would have a better idea of that than Jamie would? Wouldn't you want Jamie to listen to Fred?
 
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clone52 said:
Romar was just venting. He thought Fred might go to the NBA so that was the only way TJ would leave him. He couldn't comprehend that TJ might just prefer being an assistant at Iowa State versus an assistant with Romar. Its not hard to see that Romar's comments could easily have just been sour grapes.

For this to all make sense, this would have to be a conspiracy between Pollard, TJ and Fred. They all would have to be in on it. If it was just Pollard and TJ, then Fred wouldn't have made all the glowing comments about TJ when he was hired. If it was just Fred and TJ, no way Pollard would hire TJ if he also wasn't on board.

So now for this to be a big conspiracy, Fred, Pollard and TJ are all conspiring in this. Lets say that true. If Fred thinks TJ is the right coach to replace him at Iowa State, I'm on board. If Fred went to Jamie and said he was going to consider moving to the NBA and that he thought TJ would be the perfect replacement and Jamie agreed, then this is all going down perfectly. I think Fred is a brilliant basketball mind and would completely trust him picking a new coach for Iowa State.

Now lets look at the Diallo comments. If this whole conspiracy is true, Fred was just being honest with him. He says he's not 100% sure if he'll be back but Iowa State is still great place and he should come here. If Fred realized that Diallo was lost as soon as he said that, why waste more time putting on the full court press. What is the alternative? Fred promises Diallo that he will be back next year, gets Diallo to sign a letter of intent, then renigs on that by leaving Iowa State. Diallo is ****** and either gets out of his letter of intent, or becomes disgruntalled and ruins team chemistry.

So lets say this is all true. Fred tells Jamie he is going to listen to NBA offers but isn't 100% sure he'll leave. Fred and Jamie talk to TJ and tell him the deal. If Fred leaves for the NBA, Iowa State wants to hire TJ as the new head coach. If Fred decides to stay, TJ is an assisstant for a year, making as much money as he would as a head coach at Green Bay or Eastern Kentucky, delays his search for a head coach by 1 year and possibly opens up more head coaching opportunities by being the lead assistant on who recruited a lot of the talent on a Final 4 team. There are serious professional advantages to TJ coming back to Iowa State for 1 year as an assisstant coach.

If its a giant conspiracy, its a perfect conspiracy and the perfect way for Fred to leave for the NBA. Fred and TJ can recruit by saying that Fred may be your coach next year, but he's might go to the NBA and if he does go to the NBA, TJ will be your coach next year. That hurts recruiting none. Maybe Diallo said he needed a 100% guarentee that Fred would be there and if Fred leaves, Diallo would leave. Being the high character guy he is, Fred moves on from Diallo. Maybe Babb and Noskoviak got the same deal and were good whether Fred stayed or left. Who knows.
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Fred has had a behind the scenes deal to be the next Bulls head coach since shortly before TJ came back IMO.

Thibs was NEVER going to be back, even if they had won it all. That's how bad that relationship had gotten.

Fred was their guy all along IMO.
 
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Very intriguing. At the very least, it sounds like he may be somewhat interested. If not, I would think he would have came out and said he likes the NBA and doesn't plan on going to the college ranks anytime.
He also mentioned that college coaches get paid more with longer contracts and less stress of immediate results.

JP: Go offer Hornacek a 5 year, $12.5 - $15 million contract and tell him to sign. With the only thing being that he must retain Otz, all other personnel is up to you.
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Dream scenario (other than retaining Fred) to pair Hornacek and TJ. And then when Hornacek bolts back to the NBA, hand the keys to TJ.
 
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clonedude said:
Fred has had a behind the scenes deal to be the next Bulls head coach since shortly before TJ came back IMO.

Thibs was NEVER going to be back, even if they had won it all. That's how bad that relationship had gotten.

Fred was their guy all along IMO.
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If thats the case, would you have a problem if Fred, Jamie and TJ all conspired to have this as their succession plan all along?
 
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