List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave
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Pandy Retersons @RandyPetes 9h9 hours ago
Hoiberg not retuning phone calls. Most of his blinds are closed but he does not appear to be home right now. #cyclones
Pandy Retersons @RandyPetes 9h9 hours ago
Hoiberg not retuning phone calls. Most of his blinds are closed but he does not appear to be home right now. #cyclones
Hornacek is definitely an exception. He is a top three candidate for the job if interested. I figured the post I responded too referred to Grayer. I have no problem with having former players coach, it's just that a lot aren't qualified. Not to mention we've all known people who were very good at certain things, but had no ability to teach the thing they were good at.
If TJ is the man, then I agree that this has been a done deal ever since he came back here from Washington.
It has been VERY obvious ever since he came back, but none of us really wanted to believe it and were in denial. Do you think TJ is going to admit to anyone what really happened behind the scenes? No. Will JP admit it? No. Will Fred? No.
But anyone with half a brain can see what went down here. Washington's coach was correct from the very beginning, but none of us wanted to believe it. And there will still be some deniers on here even if TJ is announced as the next head coach.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with the choice of TJ, if he is the choice, I'm just saying that if this happens it was the plan from the start.
It has been VERY obvious ever since he came back, but none of us really wanted to believe it and were in denial. Do you think TJ is going to admit to anyone what really happened behind the scenes? No. Will JP admit it? No. Will Fred? No.
But anyone with half a brain can see what went down here. Washington's coach was correct from the very beginning, but none of us wanted to believe it. And there will still be some deniers on here even if TJ is announced as the next head coach.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with the choice of TJ, if he is the choice, I'm just saying that if this happens it was the plan from the start.
Surely you jest? GarPax said on my tv they hadn't talked to anyone yet and those upstanding individuals wouldn't fib?
That isn't a bad list even for a program with the recent success ISU has enjoyed. You have to start with the recognition that it's become extremely difficult to pry a "name" head coach out of a comfortable situation because the money available even outside of Power Five conference schools is great for guys like that. So, it's not a big sacrifice for a guy like Archie Miller, or Shaka Smart before him, to stay at schools like Dayton and VCU while waiting for their ideal job to become available, and still make great money while they wait.
Personally, I think TJ is the guy, but Jamie is certainly capable of pulling a surprise.
Personally, I think TJ is the guy, but Jamie is certainly capable of pulling a surprise.
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And not only that...that there's some sort of expectation that a fan shouldn't 'get played'. It's ****ing big business. It's ****ing competitive. If the fans know something, so does everyone else and they can use it against you. It's not necessarily that Fred, JP, TJ...whatever boogey man wants to keep fans in the dark, it's that if the fans know something, so does everyone else and they can use it against you. It honestly points out that these people that are whining about things happening behind the scenes have never been above minion status in any company. There are TONS of secrets...that doesn't mean someone has it out for you, or that there's a grand conspiracy, or that someone doesn't like you :sad: it means simply that someone felt it was in the best interest of the program to keep things quiet.
And yes, if Fred knew for a year that he was leaving, I'm damn glad that Jamie kept it quiet. Do you realize the flipping turmoil it would have caused to have a lame duck coach for a year? Look at poor Thibs' position, his players quit on him, and he doesn't even have to recruit or keep coaches on staff.
Well that didn't last long. Twitter must have been terrible to drive you back here :smile:
Very intriguing. At the very least, it sounds like he may be somewhat interested. If not, I would think he would have came out and said he likes the NBA and doesn't plan on going to the college ranks anytime.
He also mentioned that college coaches get paid more with longer contracts and less stress of immediate results.
JP: Go offer Hornacek a 5 year, $12.5 - $15 million contract and tell him to sign. With the only thing being that he must retain Otz, all other personnel is up to you.
I think there has been a lot of creeping determinism when it comes to people trying to rationalize what happened. I don't know if TJ was brought back all along to take over the job, and frankly I don't care at this point.
What I do know is that CW knows better than any of us what type of guys would be realistic as a replacement. After looking at that list, Hornacek is my top (and extremely unlikely) choice. TJ is right behind him.
What I do know is that CW knows better than any of us what type of guys would be realistic as a replacement. After looking at that list, Hornacek is my top (and extremely unlikely) choice. TJ is right behind him.
I wouldn't care if we had to drop every single men's program not named football or basketball to pay the man whatever it takes to get him to Ames.
I don't think Suns would offer him an extension. I think his days are numbered there.
I couldn't agree more. We can offer Hornacek more $$, more stability, and a built in support system here at ISU than he has with the Suns. Why WOULDN'T he be interested in listening to our offer!!
This seems like a no brainer. This is the direction we need to go.
Romar was just venting. He thought Fred might go to the NBA so that was the only way TJ would leave him. He couldn't comprehend that TJ might just prefer being an assistant at Iowa State versus an assistant with Romar. Its not hard to see that Romar's comments could easily have just been sour grapes.
For this to all make sense, this would have to be a conspiracy between Pollard, TJ and Fred. They all would have to be in on it. If it was just Pollard and TJ, then Fred wouldn't have made all the glowing comments about TJ when he was hired. If it was just Fred and TJ, no way Pollard would hire TJ if he also wasn't on board.
So now for this to be a big conspiracy, Fred, Pollard and TJ are all conspiring in this. Lets say that true. If Fred thinks TJ is the right coach to replace him at Iowa State, I'm on board. If Fred went to Jamie and said he was going to consider moving to the NBA and that he thought TJ would be the perfect replacement and Jamie agreed, then this is all going down perfectly. I think Fred is a brilliant basketball mind and would completely trust him picking a new coach for Iowa State.
Now lets look at the Diallo comments. If this whole conspiracy is true, Fred was just being honest with him. He says he's not 100% sure if he'll be back but Iowa State is still great place and he should come here. If Fred realized that Diallo was lost as soon as he said that, why waste more time putting on the full court press. What is the alternative? Fred promises Diallo that he will be back next year, gets Diallo to sign a letter of intent, then renigs on that by leaving Iowa State. Diallo is ****** and either gets out of his letter of intent, or becomes disgruntalled and ruins team chemistry.
So lets say this is all true. Fred tells Jamie he is going to listen to NBA offers but isn't 100% sure he'll leave. Fred and Jamie talk to TJ and tell him the deal. If Fred leaves for the NBA, Iowa State wants to hire TJ as the new head coach. If Fred decides to stay, TJ is an assisstant for a year, making as much money as he would as a head coach at Green Bay or Eastern Kentucky, delays his search for a head coach by 1 year and possibly opens up more head coaching opportunities by being the lead assistant on who recruited a lot of the talent on a Final 4 team. There are serious professional advantages to TJ coming back to Iowa State for 1 year as an assisstant coach.
If its a giant conspiracy, its a perfect conspiracy and the perfect way for Fred to leave for the NBA. Fred and TJ can recruit by saying that Fred may be your coach next year, but he's might go to the NBA and if he does go to the NBA, TJ will be your coach next year. That hurts recruiting none. Maybe Diallo said he needed a 100% guarentee that Fred would be there and if Fred leaves, Diallo would leave. Being the high character guy he is, Fred moves on from Diallo. Maybe Babb and Noskoviak got the same deal and were good whether Fred stayed or left. Who knows.
Don't forget that Chris and I were also in on it as we have been laying the ground work for people to accept TJ - that reminds me, I need to text JP and have him send over the check:wink:
