It's on Fred

[roundball]

OP:

 

[Beyerball]

How many of those teams are ranked in the top 50 in defensive efficiency?

1. Kentucky
4. Arizona
6. Louisville
8. Wichita State
9. Utah
12. Oklahoma
24. Gonzaga
34. Wisconsin
45. West Virginia

That is 9 of the remaining 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament are ranked 45th or better in defensive efficiency.

Field goal % D...

1. Kentucky
6. Utah
10. Oklahoma
17. Louisville
19. Gonzaga
21. Arizona
25. Michigan State
32. North Carolina
41. Wichita State
44. NC State

That is 10 of the remaining 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament that rank in the top 44 in field goal % defense.

Did anybody watch that NC State game when they upset #1 seed Villanova? We all know NC State didn't win that game with their offense. Villanova shot a season low 25.9% in the paint and 31% overall for the game.

Totally agree with you Cyc78. Gee as much as I've been agreeing with you the Sun might not rise tomorrow.

 

[Slammer]

Totally agree with you Cyc78. Gee as much as I've been agreeing with you the Sun might not rise tomorrow.

 

[allfourcy]

Admittedly, I didnt read through all 15 pages of this thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating some others' thoughts. I'm not saying our coach shouldn't take some of the responsibility for the loss ( I'm sure he has alot already within himself) but I, too, think the OP is going overboard. You failed to mention how huge it was that Georges got that early second foul. Most coaches don't risk him getting his 3rd there, but I'm sure he also never dreamt Georges would go 1/11 the 2nd half, even on a bad day. Change tempo? Hard to do that when a. you're not getting the rebound to run or b. you're missing alot of your shots so pressing is harder to set up , etc.. It was our lowest point total of the season, so while Edozie might get you a few rebounds, how is he going to help on the offensive end? Most coaches go with what "got you there" and you expected a coach to just sub liberally with guys that hadn't been put in that situation much before? Right.........
Nobody is beyond criticism, but I just want to reiterate that there is nobody I'd rather have running this program than Coach Hoiberg. That's all.

 

[Gunnerclone]

It's over when some random person says it's over, so it's never over.

The end is nigh...

 

[Cyballzz]

Use of measured or "weasel" words is a skill. It allows an out if providing an opinion that is not a certainty or is unknowable. By definition, weasel words mean something less than 100% certainty. For example, "could" is used to indicate a possibility, rather than a certainty. His point was that nothing was working, putting Edozie in may (another weasel word) have helped, because his strength is rebounding and we were getting killed on the boards. Your position is that there is no possibility Edozie could have helped because he hadn't played much all year. Unfortunately, you did not leave a way out and opened yourself up to being categorically wrong. Fortunately for you, there is no way to prove whether either opinion is true.

P.S. Your comment about the basement is ironic and amusing on many levels, and I guess could be true in a most broad definition of the word, but I wish this helicopter would get away from my window so I can work.

Glad I was able to amuse you. I rolled the dice that you were a Peter Cetera fan.

Sorry to disappoint you though that I will trust the player evaluation of the guys who have actually watched Daniel Edozie play more than 19 minutes of meaningful basketball over guys who are blindly clinging to some hope that a guy who never played may have saved us.

Oh and shoot better than 33.3% in the 2nd half.

 

[dirtyninety]

I hope this thread goes on forever. Maybe if this thread gets to #1000, some great, over-indulged Burger King 5-star recruit will put down his bowl and sign a letter of intent to play for Iowa State University of Science and Technology. A Land Grant College.

 

[GTO]

I've now watched the game twice and read almost every single post about the UAB loss. I'm a longtime ISU fan going back to Barry Stevens. I don't live in Iowa anymore but a major metro city, so here is a little detached perspective. I love Fred and think he is a really good coach and could be great one day. I watched every single minute of every all but three games early in the season. However, this loss falls on him. I think the following points need to get made:

1. The team wasn't ready to play. This is on the coach. He has to make sure they are ready to go for the biggest stage of their careers.

2. Their problem was defense the entire year, especially the inability to get over screens. This never got fixed and cost them on the last UAB OB play. This is a coaching deficiency if it occurs over and over. Defense matters especially in the tournament.

3. Fred did nothing to adjust the tempo. You can press for steals and/or tempo. Fred never tried to push the pace with a deeper bench against a 19 win team.

4. They were getting killed on the boards and Edozie never got off the bench. 5-10 minutes of him knocking some people around might have helped. It's not enough to stay close against a UAB, he should have been upset they weren't destroying them making a statement.

5. At no time during the year did Fred ever really get on anyone. Last year he had Ejim and a 25 year old Kane to do it on the floor but not this year. He needs to know when to fill that hole. Calipari has multiple coddled McD AA and he said in an interview before halftime when they weren't playing well that either you perform or you sit. Players want to be challenged. Calm is great but everyone once in while you need to get in someone's grill.

6. Matt Thomas was playing well and sat in the 2nd half. If Long isn't hitting shots then he is liability on the floor because he can't cover anyone. Why not make a substitution? It's one and done. If your Thomas and you play when you aren't performing but sit when you are: what is the message?

7. It was a good season, but the tournament is what matters. If we want a nationally prominent program then you have to perform in the tourney.

If were an 8 seed and this happened, fine. We were a four against a team that had to win its conference tourney to even get into the dance. Fred had nearly a week to prepare. Jared Haase seemed to figure out. He called timeouts before TV timeouts, so ISU could never get into a rhythm. Nice coaching and I'm not saying he is better.

Go ahead lose your minds.

 

[isulive2train]

 

[SeaClone]

Glad I was able to amuse you. I rolled the dice that you were a Peter Cetera fan.

Sorry to disappoint you though that I will trust the player evaluation of the guys who have actually watched Daniel Edozie play more than 19 minutes of meaningful basketball over guys who are blindly clinging to some hope that a guy who never played may have saved us.

Oh and shoot better than 33.3% in the 2nd half.

I'm not disappointed. I wasn't saying that I agreed with his position in that Hoiberg should have played Edozie. I completely understand Hoiberg not playing him, and I I think the likelihood that Edozie would have helped in any meaningful way over the guys he had on the floor is pretty slim. I was only disagreeing with your characterization of what he said, and that there was 0% chance he would have helped.

 

[isulive2train]

 

[NWICY]

Besides #6, I agree with every point. First the team was more amped for round 1 of the conference tourney than the NCAA tourney, unacceptable.

The defense was always somewhat of a liability. We did catch huge breaks in the conference tourney when the kid from Texas shot with 10 seconds left in the game and when Spangler missed the wide open lay up. The de didn't step up in the last moment at Baylor and a few other instances.

It almost got to a point where if the other guys didn't screw up completely at the end, we needed to play a perfect 2nd half too many times. The end of the UAB first half was just awful.

Looking back on it now, maybe playing Edozie more may have been good.

I've always said Fred is a good guy, but maybe he's too good of a guy. He needs to get on the guys for missing wide open shots or not showing effort on the glass. Maybe he doesn't want to embarrass his players during the game and just during practice which is totally cool, but I think he needs to send a message. I'm only saying this now because we seem to have players who show up when they want to. We need a guy who is going to get on their a** from time to time. Hopefully Fred takes somewhat of a new mindset.

So are you accusing the players of point shaving? Otherwise what good does it do to yell at someone for missing wide open shots. I highly doubt if any of the players want to miss shots. Yelling at them would only make them feel worse which increases pressure and probably it even harder to make shots that you are already used to making.
I'm truly glad that so many people on this board never make any mistakes and go to work or school every day and give 100% effort in all of their endeavors.

 

[Beyerball]

The end is nigh...

so what would you like to talk about Gunner? What classes the players are signed up for this summer?

 

[madguy30]

First:
Edozie played 9 minutes total in 20 of our 21 conference games. He played an additional 8 minutes in the Texas Tech game. The competition was superb in his 9mpg.

You take out his 9 vs. Mississippi Valley State (we won by 50) and 7 against Lamar (we won by 37) and he has 24 rebounds on the year in those 9mpg.

Second:
Would you have put Edozie in vs. Texas, OU, or KU?

If yes, would the result have been the same?

If no, why would you do it in the NCAA tournament?

The only thing for this thought is maybe put him in since he probably wasn't scouted much and may throw them off. They seemed to have McKay pegged.

Otherwise it's coming on a week since this game happened, and there's a good chance they'd be done now as it is...they had a hard time putting 40 minutes of good basketball together all year and that didn't change in the 3rd season (NCAA tournament). If that happens, you get beat.

 

[Slammer]

so what would you like to talk about Gunner? What classes the players are signed up for this summer?

You're mad bro

 

[wonkadog]

I picture all the "put in Edozie/we need Doc back/bench our 40% 3-point shooter" people in this thread as being similar to the lady you have to sit by at the game who just keeps yelling "rebound, come on you guys, rebound!!!" over and over when rebounds off of long shots are just happening to bounce to the other team. Makes you want to jam pencils in your ears.

 

[NorthCyd]

I picture all the "put in Edozie/we need Doc back/bench our 40% 3-point shooter" people in this thread as being similar to the lady you have to sit by at the game who just keeps yelling "rebound, come on you guys, rebound!!!" over and over when rebounds off of long shots are just happening to bounce to the other team. Makes you want to jam pencils in your ears.

That lady would have been 100% correct at the BYU game.

 

[CYKOFAN]

That lady would have been 100% correct at the BYU game.

And yet they scored a whopping 60 points on us. Maybe we could have played tougher and the players may have been overconfident, I know I was and I've watched the tourney for 50 years and should know better. But sometimes even rebounds don't bounce your way, and shots don't drop. Rebounding was certainly a factor but the main reason we lost is we missed a lot of good shots we normally make and scored almost 20 points below our season average.

 

[Luth4Cy]

I picture all the "put in Edozie/we need Doc back/bench our 40% 3-point shooter" people in this thread as being similar to the lady you have to sit by at the game who just keeps yelling "rebound, come on you guys, rebound!!!" over and over when rebounds off of long shots are just happening to bounce to the other team. Makes you want to jam pencils in your ears.

Some actually were concerned about losing Doc last last year. I know it's hard for some of you to believe, but some people citing concerns have cited those concerns for a long time now.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Some actually were concerned about losing Doc last last year. I know it's hard for some of you to believe, but some people citing concerns have cited those concerns for a long time now.

We improved defensively from last season:

PPG 74 to 69
FG % 42 to 41.6

And 3 pt fg defense was basically a wash 34.1 last year. 34.7 this year.