It's on Fred

Cyballzz

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You really don't understand my original point, which was that it was a one possession game and he could have then made a difference. Kourtlin could have made a difference for crying out loud. That doesn't mean Kourtlin is better than anybody on the court, just that in a one possession game the difference is minimal and as a result any player on any possession can make a difference.

I fully get your point... My issue is that you are acting like Edozie could only impact the game in a positive manner. When its just as likely he could have a negative impact.
 

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I fully get your point... My issue is that you are acting like Edozie could only impact the game in a positive manner. When its just as likely he could have a negative impact.

He could have had a negative impact, sure, but he also could have had a positive impact. I always thought he should play more, even going back to last season. He wasn't going to score, but he could play defense and rebound and frankly I think he would have played slightly better than Hogue against UAB and a lot better BDJ.
 

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You really don't understand my original point, which was that it was a one possession game and he could have then made a difference. Kourtlin could have made a difference for crying out loud. That doesn't mean Kourtlin is better than anybody on the court, just that in a one possession game the difference is minimal and as a result any player on any possession can make a difference.

Well no ****. I guess you don't have a point other than to get the blather on.
 

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You really don't understand my original point, which was that it was a one possession game and he could have then made a difference. Kourtlin could have made a difference for crying out loud. That doesn't mean Kourtlin is better than anybody on the court, just that in a one possession game the difference is minimal and as a result any player on any possession can make a difference.

Mind well and truly blown here. I'm going to go back and relive every move I've ever made in my life and think "if only I had put on different socks this morning, everything would have been different."

If I had worn black sneakers instead of white ones for my first 7th grade basketball game I just know I'd be in the pros right now, I just know it.
 

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This post is why i stayed off the site for a few days at least smh :skeptical:
 

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Mind well and truly blown here. I'm going to go back and relive every move I've ever made in my life and think "if only I had put on different socks this morning, everything would have been different."

If I had worn black sneakers instead of white ones for my first 7th grade basketball game I just know I'd be in the pros right now, I just know it.

I believe it, Gunner.
 

Cyballzz

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He could have had a negative impact, sure, but he also could have had a positive impact. I always thought he should play more, even going back to last season. He wasn't going to score, but he could play defense and rebound and frankly I think he would have played slightly better than Hogue against UAB and a lot better BDJ.

The coaching staff who watched him every day didn't feel he could contribute in meaningful spots, but you clearly think that he with out a doubt, 100% would. I don't view this staff as above criticism but man... these guys watched Edozie every damn day and felt he wouldn't have a positive impact by being out on the court.

Poor Edozie is Bubu 2.0. Question... Bubu gave way to Edozie... who replaces Edozie as the Imaginary Savior next year?
 

Luth4Cy

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Mind well and truly blown here. I'm going to go back and relive every move I've ever made in my life and think "if only I had put on different socks this morning, everything would have been different."

If I had worn black sneakers instead of white ones for my first 7th grade basketball game I just know I'd be in the pros right now, I just know it.

I honestly wasn't trying to make a big deal about it, but once I posted it people misinterpreted it and I responded.
 

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I don't disagree or agree with all the points, but putting Edozie in the game to make a difference is one I don't agree with. You don't put in a guy that has played 9 minutes (and 8 more in our 37 point blow out vs. TT) all conference season once you are in the tournament. He hasn't been playing with these guys all year, just would not fit in to the line-up at this point. Not sure what you've been watching the past 5 years but that is not how Fred plays, he plays 7-8 guys a lot of minutes and that's why our chemistry peaks in March. You don't mess with that chemistry at this point in the year, even if it is for 5-10 minutes. Just a terrible idea.
 

Luth4Cy

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The coaching staff who watched him every day didn't feel he could contribute in meaningful spots, but you clearly think that he with out a doubt, 100% would. I don't view this staff as above criticism but man... these guys watched Edozie every damn day and felt he wouldn't have a positive impact on the team.

Poor Edozie is Bubu 2.0. Question... Bubu gave way to Edozie... who replaces Edozie as the Imaginary Savior next year?

I didn't say he would without a doubt 100% play, but from watching him the past two seasons it is clear to me that he could have helped us some against UAB if he was playing even average for himself.

And I understand the coaches see him play every day, but that doesn't mean they don't make incorrect decisions on playing time. Jeremy Lin barely got playing time in New York until injuries, Ricky Stanzi had to win a starting job mid-season, even Stevie Johnson only started for Eustachy when Paul Shirley got injured.

Personally I think they thought they could win a National Title if the eight man rotation played incredibly well and as a result they didn't want to go any deeper.
 

Luth4Cy

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I don't disagree or agree with all the points, but putting Edozie in the game to make a difference is one I don't agree with. You don't put in a guy that has played 9 minutes (and 8 more in our 37 point blow out vs. TT) all conference season once you are in the tournament. He hasn't been playing with these guys all year, just would not fit in to the line-up at this point. Not sure what you've been watching the past 5 years but that is not how Fred plays, he plays 7-8 guys a lot of minutes and that's why our chemistry peaks in March. You don't mess with that chemistry at this point in the year, even if it is for 5-10 minutes. Just a terrible idea.

Most people who are advocating he play were advocating it back in December.
 

NATEizKING

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Most people who are advocating he play were advocating it back in December.

He's been here for two years and after a year and a half of every day evaluation, the staff decided not to play him. The decision to play him was made months ago so the discussion on if he should or should not have played against UAB is pretty silly at this point. People probably thought he should have played against Kansas, OU and Texas. If he had played, do we win those games? Who knows? Who cares? The decision was made in Dec. or Jan. that he wasn't going to play.
 

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Besides #6, I agree with every point. First the team was more amped for round 1 of the conference tourney than the NCAA tourney, unacceptable.

The defense was always somewhat of a liability. We did catch huge breaks in the conference tourney when the kid from Texas shot with 10 seconds left in the game and when Spangler missed the wide open lay up. The de didn't step up in the last moment at Baylor and a few other instances.

It almost got to a point where if the other guys didn't screw up completely at the end, we needed to play a perfect 2nd half too many times. The end of the UAB first half was just awful.

Looking back on it now, maybe playing Edozie more may have been good.

I've always said Fred is a good guy, but maybe he's too good of a guy. He needs to get on the guys for missing wide open shots or not showing effort on the glass. Maybe he doesn't want to embarrass his players during the game and just during practice which is totally cool, but I think he needs to send a message. I'm only saying this now because we seem to have players who show up when they want to. We need a guy who is going to get on their a** from time to time. Hopefully Fred takes somewhat of a new mindset.
 

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I could not agree more. Every point OP made is valid and this was by far Fred's worst coaching job of the year. Didn't utilize timeouts and didn't manage the game, especially down the stretch. No reason whatsoever to continue to run plays through Georges at the end of the game when he is 27% from the field. Having Naz continue to jack up 3's and Georges forcing shots means Thomas and BDJ should have gotten a look in the 2nd half. Both sat and watched our 4 point lead dissolve with 1:37 left. I also agree with Edozie playing 3 or 4 minutes to go in and bang down low. Our physicality in the game was nonexistent.

I think a lot of it has to be put on the assistants too, because they are there to hold Hoiberg accountable and help him make decisions on personnel at different points of the game. Losing Bobby Lutz and Doc Sadler as assistants was unfortunate and definitely showed with our defense this year.


In closing, Hoiberg needs some grit and to get on the players, refs, and other coaches more than he does. He coaches like he is in the pros and just sits back a lot of the time. I think that philosophy and coaching style works well in the pros because players are "individuals" and don't play as much team ball. I don't see a lot of other "Championship" caliber coaches taking this approach in college. Brad Stevens, who was the most reserved coach out of any coach I've seen in college is the only coach I can think of who didn't really yell at his players, coaches, or the refs much. The best coaches yell at the at their players, coaches, and get on the refs throughout the game.

Hoiberg has only two technicals in his tenure. Weak.

I really think we'll come back in 2015-16 better than ever, but what a disappointing way end to this season.
 

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I would say that it is on the team and coaches, but who gives a ****? Carry on with your stick fight.
 

BodeClone

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I could not agree more. Every point OP made is valid and this was by far Fred's worst coaching job of the year. Didn't utilize timeouts and didn't manage the game, especially down the stretch. No reason whatsoever to continue to run plays through Georges at the end of the game when he is 27% from the field. Having Naz continue to jack up 3's and Georges forcing shots means Thomas and BDJ should have gotten a look in the 2nd half. Both sat and watched our 4 point lead dissolve with 1:37 left. I also agree with Edozie playing 3 or 4 minutes to go in and bang down low. Our physicality in the game was nonexistent.

I think a lot of it has to be put on the assistants too, because they are there to hold Hoiberg accountable and help him make decisions on personnel at different points of the game. Losing Bobby Lutz and Doc Sadler as assistants was unfortunate and definitely showed with our defense this year.


In closing, Hoiberg needs some grit and to get on the players, refs, and other coaches more than he does. He coaches like he is in the pros and just sits back a lot of the time. I think that philosophy and coaching style works well in the pros because players are "individuals" and don't play as much team ball. I don't see a lot of other "Championship" caliber coaches taking this approach in college. Brad Stevens, who was the most reserved coach out of any coach I've seen in college is the only coach I can think of who didn't really yell at his players, coaches, or the refs much. The best coaches yell at the at their players, coaches, and get on the refs throughout the game.

Hoiberg has only two technicals in his tenure. Weak.

I really think we'll come back in 2015-16 better than ever, but what a disappointing way end to this season.

WOW!!!!
 

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