I think there is some truth to this. I like Fred's style, think some coaches do too much to insert themselves into the game (sometimes their team's style of play requires it), let them play. Of course sometimes a timeout is necessary to make an adjustment or try to stop a run.
Hoiberg the TO bully
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I think there is some truth to this. I like Fred's style, think some coaches do too much to insert themselves into the game (sometimes their team's style of play requires it), let them play. Of course sometimes a timeout is necessary to make an adjustment or try to stop a run.
CycloneErik
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Add into it he's got players buying in to the idea that, if they're not the hot hands, they wont get their minutes this game/half. He's managed egos so well, we sometimes forget how great he does.
Right, but ******** about the timeouts seems fairly stupid considering that no coach is perfect. Got to accept some alleged flaws.
He's good, bordering on very good, however calling him elite is extremely premature. There are maybe 8-10 proven "elite" coaches int the country. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
And YES, every coach makes mistakes. This particular thread was about how well Hoiberg conserves timeouts, which (as pointed out) is utterly absurd. It's crazy how people get so easily offended when addressing a topic and supporting that particular argument with facts.
The Hoiberg police are on full alert.
I think letting the team try to play through things is another example of Fred's NBA background. Most college coaches try to over manage the game, in the NBA teams are going to go on runs, coaches let their team play through it more often, especially early on in the game.
What would he use time outs for? It is thug ball with a bunch of derelict transfers. They can't be coached anyway. He is just along for the ride. Using TOs is only important if you do things the right way.
CycloneErik
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That's a very good point. If they aren't busy playing, the thug transfers might lose focus and run amok. Anything could happen then, and none of it will be good.
This is a partial fallacy. Points are no more important at the end of the game than they are anywhere else. The difference is at the end of the game time is of the essence, creating less chances to make up for mistakes and missed opportunities.
The key with timeouts is to MAXIMIZE their usage (I can't emphasize this enough). If per se, you are on the road and are with the crowd going nuts in the midst of a 6-0 and you have the ball trapped on the sideline, I'd hope Hoiberg (any coach) would have the presence of mind to call a timeout as that possession is critical. Meanwhile, having a stockpile of timeouts when having passed over several similar opportunities is nothing short of mismanagement.
While I'm not a Scott Drew fan (thee of having called several timeouts in the midst of his OWN TEAM'S runs), I don't think having no timeouts at the end of the game is an indictment....if they were used properly. It's the senseless usage of said timeouts and/or the failure to recognize their importance that's the bigger issue.
In today's case there really weren't a lot of instances (maybe one I can think of) where Fred should have called a timeout (in other words I though he did fine in that regard today). That doesn't mean however, that Fred isn't poor in this regard. It's an area (just like a lot of coaches) that he needs to work on.
CycloneErik
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To be fair, the bank account isn't a great measure. Rick Barnes makes boatloads of money, and he has some coaching issues.
Knowing Fred's background and analytical approach, I almost wonder if he doesn't have some sort of statistical evidence that the effect of TOs in stopping opponent runs is overblown. It just seems too obvious a thing to think he hasn't changed his philosophy solely out of stubbornness or not learning his lesson.
