Hoiberg the TO bully

[InAWord]

How stupid is this thread? We just won two road games in a row (one a ranked team) and people are discussing Fred's use of TOs? I guess at least you aren't ripping on Thomas...

 

[ThatllDoCy]

At least a 30 second shot clock. Even the college women's game has a 30 second shot clock.

I would guess a lot of Coaches are trying to delay this. Must be easier to coach defense, and hacking than offense. You can hear the analysts every game clamor for more people to coach the type of basketball Fred has us playing.

 

[dafarmer]

As for late game fouling, after 12- 14 team fouls in a half why not one free throw and you get the ball out. Back in the old days of the NBA, there used to be three shots to make two.

 

[cymac2408]

Scott Drew or Bill touch mySelf is that you?

 

[Goldfinger]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

with media timeouts every 4 minutes (after dead ball) there is usually little need to waste timeouts earlier. Timeouts are most useful for end of game situations, and Fred is masterful at that. maybe that is why we have won so many close games the last two years.

 

[scyclonekid]

It's all about pace and let the players figure it out he trusts them to make the right decisions and when they don't call a time out, which is not very often so that tells me we have a team with a good bball IQ.

 

[schlepp571]

with media timeouts every 4 minutes (after dead ball) there is usually little need to waste timeouts earlier. Timeouts are most useful for end of game situations, and Fred is masterful at that. maybe that is why we have won so many close games the last two years.

Troll. Oh my bad, Ogre.

 

[schlepp571]

Post was pointed at ZRF not you Gold. My bad.

 

[Jsievers24]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

This guy is way worse than twocoach. All of his posts are troll posts. Go away idiot.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Maybe take a timeout or two or 4?

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Maybe take a timeout or two or 4?

Can't take 'em with you with the game's over.

 

[CyArob]

This thread blows.

 

[HandSanitizer]

I personally can't stand a coach not taking a few Time outs. Love FH to death, but he normally has 3-4 left each game.

The TT game on the road. Rule #1 on a team that sucks and can't handle the ball. Pressure them. Waited until 7 mins left the game. In 7 minutes we wiped the lead and could have won.

Baylor at home. take a time out man....regroup. what does it hurt to call time out on a team that is hot when you have so many to burn?

 

[psi]

Baylor at home. take a time out man....regroup. what does it hurt to call time out on a team that is hot when you have so many to burn?

Drew burned all his timeouts with over 8 minutes left in the game. Baylor won. Did Drew outcoach CFH? ISU had unused timeouts. Did CFH have no adjustments to make when Baylor was making 5 straight threes late in the game?

 

[kingcy]

Drew burned all his timeouts with over 8 minutes left in the game. Baylor won. Did Drew outcoach CFH? ISU had unused timeouts. Did CFH have no adjustments to make when Baylor was making 5 straight threes late in the game?

Drew did out coach him the last 5 mins of the game. What gets me is Fred is so good at making adjustments and getting players to do what he wants out of timeouts. Yet the last 3 mins of that game he just sits on them as his players take dumb *** shots.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Drew burned all his timeouts with over 8 minutes left in the game. Baylor won. Did Drew outcoach CFH? ISU had unused timeouts. Did CFH have no adjustments to make when Baylor was making 5 straight threes late in the game?

Every time Drew took a time (except 1) he killed our momentum. So those were GREAT time outs by Drew.