Hoiberg the TO bully

[BWRhasnoAC]

Is it just me or does Hoiberg completely push other coaches around with time outs? We had 4 TO's remaining today against Texas, to their 0 at the end of this game. I would love to know if anyone has some stats pertaining to this?

 

[isulive2train]

Yes. In fact he just made Scott Drew call one as we speak.

 

[Istater4life]

Is it just me or does Hoiberg completely push other coaches around with time outs? We had 4 TO's remaining today against Texas, to their 0 at the end of this game. I would love to know if anyone has some stats pertaining to this?

Glad he kept em. We needed them down the stretch when they started pressing.

 

[cmjh10]

I think its because we go on so many runs so quickly that coaches try to stop them quickly

 

[awd4cy]

There never was really ever a need. Texas never went on any huge runs and when they went on small ones they were around the media timeouts.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Is it just me or does Hoiberg completely push other coaches around with time outs? We had 4 TO's remaining today against Texas, to their 0 at the end of this game. I would love to know if anyone has some stats pertaining to this?

It's because Hoiberg likes to let the guys try to figure it out on the floor instead of holding their hands all the time, and, more often than not, it works. It has the added benefit of putting extra pressure on the opponent because that's fewer breaks the opponent gets as well.

 

[chuckd4735]

It's because Hoiberg likes to let the guys try to figure it out on the floor instead of holding their hands all the time, and, more often than not, it works. It has the added benefit of putting extra pressure on the opponent because that's fewer breaks the opponent gets as well.

This. At times, Hoibergs lack of calling a timeout drives me nuts. However, I have learned to not question Hoiball.

 

[ZRF]

Is it just me or does Hoiberg completely push other coaches around with time outs? We had 4 TO's remaining today against Texas, to their 0 at the end of this game. I would love to know if anyone has some stats pertaining to this?

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

 

[CycloneErik]

It's because Hoiberg likes to let the guys try to figure it out on the floor instead of holding their hands all the time, and, more often than not, it works. It has the added benefit of putting extra pressure on the opponent because that's fewer breaks the opponent gets as well.

It's very Wooden-esque.

 

[cyfanatic13]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

Maybe it's just me, but personally I think the team playing OUTSTANDING basketball has everything to do with Fred

 

[Go2Guy]

and somewhat related theme, it took nearly 26-minutes to finish the final three mins of the game. The VCU game before us made me miss nearly 7-minutes of our game because of the timeouts and fouling.
Extending the game is getting really obnoxious and frustrating; the bonus+ fouls haven't really had the impact.

 

[isulive2train]

Caption this photo...

 

[cyclones12321]

Is it just me or does Hoiberg completely push other coaches around with time outs? We had 4 TO's remaining today against Texas, to their 0 at the end of this game. I would love to know if anyone has some stats pertaining to this?

We need to keep hoibergs secrets of success silent.

 

[jsb]

This. At times, Hoibergs lack of calling a timeout drives me nuts. However, I have learned to not question Hoiball.

Yep, sometimes I think he should take a timeout or two, but I can't argue with the results. And I think that is one way he shows his players that he trusts them. And that trust is probably the thing that I love about Hoiball the most. I love seeing players thrive with that trust.

 

[jdoggivjc]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

Fred's 20-6 (10-4) 2014-15 season and 130-59 (47-37) overall records, not to mention his 3 straight NCAA Tournament appearances (and 99% chance of his 4th straight appearance - an ISU record) would 100% disagree with you

 

[Sigmapolis]

Little homerish here, but hear me out...

Perhaps Fred just knows/trusts his guys to make the better decisions, play-to-play and at the end of games, and trusts their conditioning and confidence.

Calling a timeout gives the other team--which might need the blow/the coach talk more than ISU does--just as much or even more than our guys are going to need it.

A rainstorm might slow a run-based football offense down... but it's going to mess with a pass-first team even more. Fred doesn't want to give them the extra help/out?

 

[jsb]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

Well to each their own, but the results have been pretty impressive.

Every coach and every player make mistakes. But holy **** the guy has just led us to our 4th straight 20 win season for the first time ever. And baring a weird situation, he'll have led us to 4 straight NCAA tournaments for the first time ever.

I think the guy is an elite coach, so we probably have to take the small things that we think might not be right.

 

[CycloneErik]

Fred's 20-6 (10-4) 2014-15 season and 130-59 (47-37) overall records, not to mention his 3 straight NCAA Tournament appearances (and 99% chance of his 4th straight appearance - an ISU record) would 100% disagree with you

The dude is obsessed with finding flaws in Fred. It's very odd

I'll just suggest this in regards to Fred's in-game coaching, besides the excellent won-loss record:
1. We consistently see strong performances coming out of halftime.
2. We see substitutions that make sense and work.
3. We score very consistently coming out of timeouts, almost like Fred said something and it works.

 

[isulive2train]

LOL, no. While Hoiberg makes excellent use of timeouts on the offensive end of the floor, as in he usually draws up sets with good results, his usage of them is quite poor. Often he refuses to call timeouts when they should be called and hoards them for late in the game. While that worked out for us today, it's typically a poor approach.

One of Fred's flaws is that he is often reactionary rather than being proactive. I love coaches that anticipate momentum swings and call timeouts BEFORE the damage is done (especially on the road). Fred has a penchant of letting teams roll off 6-8 + points before calling them, and/or letting refusing to call one when we get trapped (before the TO happens).

Admittedly I'm a critic of Fred's in-game management, particularly late in games. Even today he inexcusably left McKay in on inbound sequences, and didn't keep Long on Taylor (Long was doing a much better job of keeping Taylor in front of him) once the game got under 4 minutes. For every game such as this one where having TOs at the end was beneficial, there are 2 others where he's wasted opportunities to control the game only to have worthless TOs left at the end of the game.

In this particular case having 4 TOs down the stretch was a result of the team playing OUSTANDING basketball for most of the 2nd half. It really had nothing to do with Fred (and a conscious decision to conserve or take them).

Look...a hemorrhoid.

 

[alarson]

Well to each their own, but the results have been pretty impressive.

Every coach and every player make mistakes. But holy **** the guy has just led us to our 4th straight 20 win season for the first time ever. And baring a weird situation, he'll have led us to 4 straight NCAA tournaments for the first time ever.

I think the guy is an elite coach, so we probably have to take the small things that we think might not be right.

Obviously he's one of the elite coaches in the country and he's forgottten more about basketball than most of us on this board will ever know.

That being said, he's still human, and at times he does seem to take too long to take a time out to stop an opponents run.