Rhoads' Contract

00clone

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So you are calling for CPR to be fired if we have another 3 win season. Won't happen. He is going to get the 2015 season whether you like it or not.


OK, where in Erik's post did he say that, specifically? He can make his statement while still admitting that the contract situation means he won't get fired. That might just be another year to wait thru, but it also might be another year for CPR to prove that wrong.

At this point, you're turning into the guy in the bar too late that suddenly wants to fight everyone. Go somewhere else and cool off.
 
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Just an average offense over the last few seasons and the conversation is totally different. I hope Mangino rights the ship and last year was an anomaly.

Except for how we were in the bottom 20% of D-1 teams by just about every defensive measure imaginable last year, you're completely right.
 

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I'm don't care what you do. I really don't but if a guy who is a college graduate and can afford tickets decides not to don't expect me to put any effort in listening to your opinion. I don't care that you are an alum. Somebody that doesn't care enough to support the team by investing into it by purchasing tickets I'm not going to take seriously. You've got a million posts on CF so I know I won't stop you I just thought calling someone out for trying to bring perspective and was just tired of all the ******** while not even being a season ticket holder was bush league.

I'll also say this as a fellow father...you are flat out missing the best time in the next 18 years to go to games. Baby's don't have flag football games, soccer games, traveling softball tournaments. It only gets harder from here to get to games...that I'll promise you.

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OK, where in Erik's post did he say that, specifically? He can make his statement while still admitting that the contract situation means he won't get fired. That might just be another year to wait thru, but it also might be another year for CPR to prove that wrong.

At this point, you're turning into the guy in the bar too late that suddenly wants to fight everyone. Go somewhere else and cool off.

C'mon. You can't make a statement that if we have a 9 or 10 loss season then "CPR becomes just another guy that can't get the job done here".......and then trying to have it both ways.

You are calling for him to be fired. No two ways about it.
 

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Except for how we were in the bottom 20% of D-1 teams by just about every defensive measure imaginable last year, you're completely right.

I'm not really giving the defense a pass. But I'm a big proponent of the the notion our ineptness on offense over the years has really been a detriment to our D. Offense can't stay on the field.

OSU win - herculean effort by the D.
Iowa win 2012 - 9-6
NU win in 2009 - 9-7
Texas in 2010 (well better 28-21 - I'd take that every day).

How many 3 and outs did we see last Sat? Part of Mangino's gameplan has to be the concept of killing time to keep the D off the field, doesn't it? Sucks to say that, and it's not reasonable. But it is a bit of a fact.
 

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C'mon. You can't make a statement that if we have a 9 or 10 loss season then "CPR becomes just another guy that can't get the job done here".......and then trying to have it both ways.

You are calling for him to be fired. No two ways about it.


No, not the way you say it. One can completely come to the conclusion that they think CPR is not the one to get it done, and yet also be rational enough to admit that contractually there's no way he gets fired. Well, I guess there's my problem, I put 'rational' in there, and you're way beyond rational right now.
 

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Much better than the .208 percentage that Chizik had. And much better than the .250 percentage the 3 years before CPR got here. Fact is that CPR has the best winning percentage of any coach at ISU in the last 30 years.

Fact is the CPR has had facilities and resources relative to other programs in the country that his predecessors could only dream of.
 

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I'm not really giving the defense a pass. But I'm a big proponent of the the notion our ineptness on offense over the years has really been a detriment to our D. Offense can't stay on the field.

OSU win - herculean effort by the D.
Iowa win 2012 - 9-6
NU win in 2009 - 9-7
Texas in 2010 (well better 28-21 - I'd take that every day).

How many 3 and outs did we see last Sat? Part of Mangino's gameplan has to be the concept of killing time to keep the D off the field, doesn't it? Sucks to say that, and it's not reasonable. But it is a bit of a fact.

We ranked 39th out of 125 last year for time of possession.
 

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Fact is the CPR has had facilities and resources relative to other programs in the country that his predecessors could only dream of.

His predecessors also were a few years earlier, so it's possible that some other schools didn't have those facilities either.
 

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Fact is the CPR has had facilities and resources relative to other programs in the country that his predecessors could only dream of.

This and the majority of his wins came early and all the inertia is distinctly negative. We might be able to better stomach talking about multiple more years of this in the future, if Rhoads had these struggles early in his career. The trend is clearly down over the past 25 games, and the team still looks fragile and plays weaker and weaker. All this as the program becomes completely his own making - the players are all his and the coaching, teaching, development and attitude/motivation are ALL on him, not some idiot whose mess he was busy cleaning up.

I'm in wait and see mode, hoping that Mangino and Wally can pull us out of this tailspin. In my mind, Rhoads doesn't have a used car salesmen's credibility right now. He needs wins to fix that - nothing else matters now.
 

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Iowa's 'bubble' indoor practice facility was built in 1985. Yes, 19....85.

Most of the country was probably still a lot ahead of us, but not every school. There's really no way to determine who had the better facilities comparatively without some type of complex facility ranking system that ranks all the BCS schools.
 

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No, not the way you say it. One can completely come to the conclusion that they think CPR is not the one to get it done, and yet also be rational enough to admit that contractually there's no way he gets fired. Well, I guess there's my problem, I put 'rational' in there, and you're way beyond rational right now.

So what happens after this year you have come to the conclusion that CPR is not the one to get it done, and keep him for 2015 and CPR wins7, 8, or 9 games. Do you fire him then?

After all, you have determined he is NOT the guy to get the job done here. What then?
 

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This and the majority of his wins came early and all the inertia is distinctly negative. We might be able to better stomach talking about multiple more years of this in the future, if Rhoads had these struggles early in his career. The trend is clearly down over the past 25 games, and the team still looks fragile and plays weaker and weaker. All this as the program becomes completely his own making - the players are all his and the coaching, teaching, development and attitude/motivation are ALL on him, not some idiot whose mess he was busy cleaning up.

I'm in wait and see mode, hoping that Mangino and Wally can pull us out of this tailspin. In my mind, Rhoads doesn't have a used car salesmen's credibility right now. He needs wins to fix that - nothing else matters now.

We are 2-1 in our last 3 games.
 

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So what happens after this year you have come to the conclusion that CPR is not the one to get it done, and keep him for 2015 and CPR wins7, 8, or 9 games. Do you fire him then?

After all, you have determined he is NOT the guy to get the job done here. What then?


I personally haven't actually determined anything, I was merely pointing out the flaw in your jumping on Erik and putting words in his mouth. However, if one had determined that, they'd then have to decide whether they were wrong, or whether they felt that season was a fluke. Rational people can do that. Re-evaluate based on new circumstances, and *gasp* even possibly admit that they were wrong.

Honestly, part of the reason that I haven't determined anything yetis because right wrong or indifferent, he's probably getting a year or 2 more after this one. The other part is that we're one game into a season, so let's not flip a wig yet...although I'm less than satisfied with Saturday. However, again, if someone had determined they didn't think he'd ever get it done, they still wouldn't necessarily be directly calling for his firing, since that'd have some pretty bad financial implications for the AD.
 

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So I guess we're just supposed to say "good enough" and keep watching bad football?

No, but continuing to fire coaches isn't the way to handle it either. Especially when you owe the coach a boatload of a buyout.

For me, let's see how this season plays out. If its as we all expect, I'm ready for a 2015 or bust season with CPR.