You can call him Hee Haws.:shocked:
You can call him Duck Hoks.:sad:
You can call him Richardo Haws.
But do not call him **** Haws.:swoon:
That is a haws of a different color.
**** Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo
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You can call him Hee Haws.:shocked:
You can call him Duck Hoks.:sad:
You can call him Richardo Haws.
But do not call him **** Haws.:swoon:
That is a haws of a different color.
I have no problem with him punishing an athlete including Bubu if it was appealed to him. I think taking away extracurriculars is a good punishment as well. That said Leath wanted to make athletics decisions when that isn't what his job is.
I don't know I guess. I would assume he is but I don't see how that is relevant as I think it was clearly meant for athletics.
CycloneErik
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Fact is, he didn't go looking for this. It came to him, and he had to decide something.
Do you even get what I'm saying. Yes he had to decide on something but he specifically singled out athletics. Why can Bubu play intramurals and do other things?
CycloneErik
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No idea, but it's not relevant. You're looking at this like Leath was persecuting an athletic program or something.
Bubu was a basketball player. The most relevant approach was to look at eligibility there.
This is a really bizarre twist to something that keeps getting stranger, but only from posters here.
I would guess because Bubu was an ambassador of the university on a national stage if he was still on the basketball team? Not very many people are going to see him play broomball and make a big deal out of it in the national press, but an alleged rapist playing Big 12 basketball is a pretty big story.
Leath can make any athletic decision he wants to. Ultimately, he is in charged of everything at the University, and that includes athletics.
See the problem is you can't treat athletes any better or worse than a normal student. You are treating Bubu differently than you would treat me.
My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.
My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.
Yeah, it has really turned into a doozy. Good enough to attend classes but not good enough to be on the team.
That's a very idealistic view. Leath's job is to do what is best for the university overall, correct? Including national media. Yes, fairness is important, but nobody in the national media is going to care (no offense) if Joe Averagestudent is kicked off the Agronomy Club. Sports are pretty much the only reason why we know about individual college students on a national stage - so they are going to be the ones who get press when they do something noteworthy. It is avoiding a black eye to ISU to avoid the embarrassment of a Pierre Pierce situation.
CycloneErik
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No, he doesn't. His situation is different than yours.
If it helps, I will consider Bubu banned from all extracurriculars. If I see him around Beyer Hall, I will report that to the police and the President.
You can most definitely treat a student athlete differently then a normal student. They represent the university in a completely different way then you do.
The recommendation passed down to Leath was to expel Bubu, but he chose not to as the kid was a semester and a half away from graduating, and expulsion would of hurt the kids future. Kicking him off the basketball team does not hurt his future.
Ok if it necessary to avoid the media outrage then you also have to take away all extracurriculars.
I also still don't really see how the media is going to get mad that someone who the charges were dropped, had everything up to that point find in favor of him, and the accuser has been found to have lied is playing sports. Who knows though with the world we live on the media doesn't care about what's right only what sells.
The media is going to look at it that there was enough bad there to get Bubu indicted in the first place, and enough that Leath took action. Let's say Bubu did absolutely zero to take advantage of that girl - it's still a big enough story that he double-teamed a drunk girl with a guy with a rap sheet after he had the whole "hometown hero" thing going for him. There is plenty there for the media to run with - and it had in Iowa. It was a matter of time before it got picked up on the national stage.
I don't think the media cares about other extracurriculars.
Just because the charges were dropped does not mean "everything was found to be in favor of Bubu". It just means that Bubu's defense was able to create reasonable doubt in a jury's mind, and the County Attorney decided it was not worth the time/money to continue to prosecute. You're innocent until proven guilty, but just because you cant prove guilt does not mean you did not commit the crime.
Also, what extra curricular activities was Bubu involved in and how do you know those were not taken away?
The "CEO" of Iowa State University should not be involved in a matter that has a potential to bring embarrassment on the institution? Wow.
Just because the prosecuter says the punishment should be something doesn't mean it is even remotely close to reality. How many cases result in a not guilty verdict? In each of those cases the prosecuter would have suggested a punishment for someone who is now not able to be punished because they were found not guilty.
That is where the athletic department can do stuff. Those punishments don't even have to have a reason. If Bubu was kicked off the team through that method then there would be no questions asked but the athletic department cleared him and let him play half a season. Then they renewed his scholarship.
I'm done for the night it is to hard to respond to 5 messages at a time on my phone.
When the details are known (and it seems like they will be), I predict that Bubu admitted to doing plenty wrong that normal people (and Leath) would consider to be violations of the Student Code. I know the judge overturned his decision and was critical of Leath's process, but I think lots of students violate the Student Code without being prosecuted. I also predict that we will find out that there were others who were advocating for the victim in a manner that targeted Bubu.
