Adelman Not Returning to Minnesota

[Rhoadhoused]

Ahh, the old grocery store hyperbole. I think we overestimate Fred's image nationally. I don't think for example he will be in the running for the Knicks or Lakers jobs this summer (or probably any of the other open positions, probably including t-wolves.) But with T-wolves he is obviously more likely to get a call/inquiry.

I completely disagree.

Would you take a pay cut to go to a job with 5 times less job security and little chance of success even if you have one of your top 2 jobs that you have ever dreamed of right now and your possible #1 dream job could be opening up in the next few years?

Is that specific enough to the situation?

 

[Linusvanp3lt]

I completely disagree.

Would you take a pay cut to go to a job with 5 times less job security and little chance of success even if you have one of your top 2 jobs that you have ever dreamed of right now and your possible #1 dream job could be opening up in the next few years?

Is that specific enough to the situation?

Lol it wouldn't be a pay cut. I agree with security, but it's not like he'd be unemployed for long if he were laid off. Which job are you referring to as the number 1 dream? So I guess, no it's not because I have no idea which job you're talking about.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Lol it wouldn't be a pay cut. I agree with security, but it's not like he'd be unemployed for long if he were laid off. Which job are you referring to as the number 1 dream? So I guess, no it's not because I have no idea which job you're talking about.

It probably wouldn't be a paycut year to year but over the whole contract it would be, but I guess that should be factored under security.

My point is Minnesota is a mediocre NBA job and he will have a shot at a premier NBA job coming open in the next 5 years, and while he waits he will be at his alma mater where he is essentially worshiped, makes elite money, and is having unprecedented success.

Is it worth leaving that and leaving a great NBA job on the table to take the Minnesota job, even if he is hell bent on going to the NBA?

 

[twocoach]

It probably wouldn't be a paycut year to year but over the whole contract it would be, but I guess that should be factored under security.My point is Minnesota is a mediocre NBA job and he will have a shot at a premier NBA job coming open in the next 5 years, and while he waits he will be at his alma mater where he is essentially worshiped, makes elite money, and is having unprecedented success. Is it worth leaving that and leaving a great NBA job on the table to take the Minnesota job, even if he is hell bent on going to the NBA?

Are you implying that if and when he was fired as the coach of the T-Wolves (and let's face it, everyone who takes that job will be fired down the line) then he wouldn't be able to find a different NBA head coaching position? If he has been so awesome at ISU then I have little reason to believe that he would have trouble getting a job after Minnesota.

 

[Die4Cy]

Fred has also said he knows he will have to have a major heart procedure sometime in the future. Given what he has in terms of security and family here in Ames, I just don't think he's going to consider a move--maybe EVER, but at the very least until that is done and over and he's completely recuperated.

 

[CyKings]

It probably wouldn't be a paycut year to year but over the whole contract it would be, but I guess that should be factored under security.

My point is Minnesota is a mediocre NBA job and he will have a shot at a premier NBA job coming open in the next 5 years, and while he waits he will be at his alma mater where he is essentially worshiped, makes elite money, and is having unprecedented success.

Is it worth leaving that and leaving a great NBA job on the table to take the Minnesota job, even if he is hell bent on going to the NBA?

He also has a lot of ties to Minnesota, having played there, been in the front office there, having family there, and having a good relationship with Flip Saunders. That's ISU to him in terms of NBA teams.

Sure an elite job could come open down the line, but one could come open in college too, he's no more going to go to the Lakers to coach than he would go to Duke to coach. If there is one NBA team that concerns me with Fred leaving to go Coach it's the Timberwolves hands down. Whether they are an elite NBA team or not.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Are you implying that if and when he was fired as the coach of the T-Wolves (and let's face it, everyone who takes that job will be fired down the line) then he wouldn't be able to find a different NBA head coaching position? If he has been so awesome at ISU then I have little reason to believe that he would have trouble getting a job after Minnesota.

His name would be considerably less hot than if he led ISU to another Sweet 16 or two or even an Elite 8. I think that is fair to say.

And Minnesota isn't set up for immediate success. In the NBA, even actually great coaches get fired all the time because they have no power and their teams underperformed a bit. (Which is the type of situation that I think FH would swoop into if he was hell bent on leaving)

Minnesota just isn't an attractive gig, and I think people are just looking too far into the fact that FH worked there in the past. FH is smart and if he wants to, he can strike while the iron is hot and land a great job in the NBA without having to pull a franchise out of the dumps.

 

[twocoach]

I completely disagree. Would you take a pay cut to go to a job with 5 times less job security and little chance of success even if you have one of your top 2 jobs that you have ever dreamed of right now and your possible #1 dream job could be opening up in the next few years? Is that specific enough to the situation?

A pay cut? He would get double his salary. Less stable? Yes, I agree with that, but if he were to get fired down the line because he couldn't get Minnesota over the hump then another NBA team would take him in a heartbeat. they have burned through 10 coaches in 23 years, but no coach assumes that that rate would continue if they took the job. They always assume that either they will leverage it into a better job after gaining the experience or they will be the one that finds the magic and makes it work to the tune of a 10-15 year run.

 

[chuckd4735]

He also has a lot of ties to Minnesota, having played there, been in the front office there, having family there, and having a good relationship with Flip Saunders. That's ISU to him in terms of NBA teams.

Sure an elite job could come open down the line, but one could come open in college too, he's no more going to go to the Lakers to coach than he would go to Duke to coach. If there is one NBA team that concerns me with Fred leaving to go Coach it's the Timberwolves hands down. Whether they are an elite NBA team or not.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Fred has any family in Minnesota.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

A pay cut? He would get double his salary. Less stable? Yes, I agree with that, but if he were to get fired down the line because he couldn't get Minnesota over the hump then another NBA team would take him in a heartbeat. they have burned through 10 coaches in 23 years, but no coach assumes that that rate would continue if they took the job. They always assume that either they will leverage it into a better job after gaining the experience or they will be the one that finds the magic and makes it work to the tune of a 10-15 year run.

I already addressed the pay cut thing although he wouldn't get double his salary. Fred's first contract will not be over $5 million per year.

And FH is smart and will evaluate whether or not that Minnesota is a place where he is likely to succeed weighed against all the factors that come with it like leaving ISU and the potential at better NBA jobs.

And he will decline to go there because that is what is logical in my opinion.

 

[RedlineSi]

I'm waiting on any actual reason Minny is a good fit other than the fact that he used to work there.

His family likes Minnesota and he wants to spend more time at the lake home.

 

[Clonefan32]

It probably wouldn't be a paycut year to year but over the whole contract it would be, but I guess that should be factored under security.

My point is Minnesota is a mediocre NBA job and he will have a shot at a premier NBA job coming open in the next 5 years, and while he waits he will be at his alma mater where he is essentially worshiped, makes elite money, and is having unprecedented success.

Is it worth leaving that and leaving a great NBA job on the table to take the Minnesota job, even if he is hell bent on going to the NBA?

I don't understand the job security issue. If Fred went to the NBA and got fired he'd have a comparable, if not better, job than the Iowa State job within hours. Look at other coaches who made the NBA jump and got back into the college game-- Calipari, Pitino, Mike Montgomery, Tim Floyd-- all of those guys got very good CBB gigs after they left the NBA.

 

[RedlineSi]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Fred has any family in Minnesota.

He has a home here.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't understand the job security issue. If Fred went to the NBA and got fired he'd have a comparable, if not better, job than the Iowa State job within hours. Look at other coaches who made the NBA jump and got back into the college game-- Calipari, Pitino, Mike Montgomery, Tim Floyd-- all of those guys got very good CBB gigs after they left the NBA.

Obviously he would have to weigh that against just staying at ISU the whole time and building something here at the place he loves. I don't think he wants another college job.


Another thing that is semi off topic, I think that if FH leaves for the NBA in the next 5 years for the NBA, he will not be done as ISU's head basketball coach forever. I think he could come back after he is done in the NBA and I'm sure he would be welcomed if the situation arose.

 

[CapnCy]

His family likes Minnesota and he wants to spend more time at the lake home.

Let's be honest here, if Fred and the family wanted to spend time at the lake home, he could retire from all work now and be VERY comfortable for a long time. In fact, the "lazy" side of me sometimes wonders why some former athletes or successful coaches do it for so long.

 

[mattyice]

Obviously he would have to weigh that against just staying at ISU the whole time and building something here at the place he loves. I don't think he wants another college job.


Another thing that is semi off topic, I think that if FH leaves for the NBA in the next 5 years for the NBA, he will not be done as ISU's head basketball coach forever. I think he could come back after he is done in the NBA and I'm sure he would be welcomed if the situation arose.

So just so im clear......its foolish and idiotic to think CFH could take a job at a place he was at for many years, has ties to the community and the team wants....the idea of THAT specualtion is "foolish"

But your assertion that hes here....he leaves for the NBA and then comes BACK to Iowa state later....is reasonable?

Thats your take?

 

[Die4Cy]

Let's be honest here, if Fred and the family wanted to spend time at the lake home, he could retire from all work now and be VERY comfortable for a long time. In fact, the "lazy" side of me sometimes wonders why some former athletes or successful coaches do it for so long.

Mostly because you don't get to that high level of competition without the kind of drive that prevents you from wanting to hang it up even beyond the point when most others would. Even Phil Jackson just can't quit cold turkey.

 

[CurvedAir]

Perhaps we should be reminded of what he said three short weeks ago when it was known that Adelman would step down:

"I'd love to end my career here."

"I have something unique that not many people have, my kids get to see their grandparents every day. I look up before every home game and see all my family in the stands."

This guy has demonstrated nothing but loyalty his entire life. He married his high school sweetheart. He stayed in Ames when he could have gone elsewhere after high school. He has an enormous respect for what Johnny Orr did and what he meant to this University. I honestly think he'll retire here if he's able to.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

So just so im clear......its foolish and idiotic to think CFH could take a job at a place he was at for many years, has ties to the community and the team wants....the idea of THAT specualtion is "foolish"

But your assertion that hes here....he leaves for the NBA and then comes BACK to Iowa state later....is reasonable?

Thats your take?

Yeah, that's apples to apples.

 

[RedlineSi]

Let's be honest here, if Fred and the family wanted to spend time at the lake home, he could retire from all work now and be VERY comfortable for a long time. In fact, the "lazy" side of me sometimes wonders why some former athletes or successful coaches do it for so long.

I'm with you, but we know he's not wired like that.