My only problem with ken pom rankings is that they are going off flawed preseason rankings. Tak UK for example. They were preseason #1 for absolutely no reason and because of that, they have stayed ranked high despite losing to every good team they play which is rediculous. Them and KU as well as a few other teams have no business being ranked as high as they are. Come season end, rankings become more accurate but right now, it's based on the name stitched in the jersey which is complete BS.
ISU MBB Ranking after beating Iowa
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Since we played one game in a week's time and barely beat a team ranked below us in an underwhelming performance, I bet we stay about the same.
His system gives credit for bringing in Sioux City East player Adam Woodbury but doesn't acknowledge bringing in Will Clyburn or DeAndre Kane who already statistically dominated the CUSA and MWC conferences. Same could be said for nearly every recruiting ranking. Kenpom's 2014 ranking says bringing in Thomas means more to our 2014 ranking than Kane, how rational is that?
We may be overrated in Sagarin right now because we simply have done more than all but a handful of teams in college basketball. That is logical though. Sagarin doesn't account for losing/gaining players at all, it starts out with a little data from last year but it's goes down every game and it's completely gone now as it should be with about 10 games played on average.
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I suppose the higher we are ranked at the end of the regular season the better seed we'll get in the tournament. We just have to be ready to battle against every team because they are coming after ISU with an attitude. I think having Fred is a huge plus in so many ways and he can get our players heads right for dealing with this type of pressure. Fred deals with the players like men and they certainly respond with maturity and a sense of ownership on the floor because they know he trusts them and they don't want to let him down.
.... On the other hand I often can't get this image out of my head which is a bit off topic, but it won't go away sometimes.
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.... On the other hand I often can't get this image out of my head which is a bit off topic, but it won't go away sometimes.
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It's like an insurance policy. A team ranked #10-15 is not going to get a 6-10 seed regardless of RPI. An unranked team with a great RPI can still get under seeded, good RPI just guarantees inclusion, not an according seed.
I know for a fact Fred has hired pomeroy as a consultant on defense for where offensive players need to be pushed to give them the lowest effective field goal percentage.
Kenpom rankings are bad early, as with most computer rankings. I also sincerely hope his stats and way of looking at the game reaches more mainstream thought.
Kenpom rankings are bad early, as with most computer rankings. I also sincerely hope his stats and way of looking at the game reaches more mainstream thought.
I agree ISU won't move for a couple of reasons.
First, NC and Kentucky will swap places around ISU. As well as Florida and Kansas.
I watched three different games yesterday and the consensus was Iowa lost the game. ISU did not win it.
I think ISU will need another signature win to really move. (I hope I'm wrong)
We will at least passed Memphis though, who did the same thing, except they played a nobody instead.
I'm a computer poll junky, the BCS computer average is the best football ranking in my opinion. The BCS composite ranking is the best recognized one because of the computer component.
I don't hate Kenpom, but it's not the best computer ranking even though it gets credit for it and calling it out will get you crucified by Kenpom groupies. If a ranking system were about who is the best team to keep a game close or keep a majority of opponents down I'd go with Kenpom, if it's about who has actually won games in the current year Sagarin is better from the third game of the season straight through to the last. Sagarin has never had end of season anomalies as bad as Kenpom does every year. If you compare all computer polls to see which has the most highest and lowest anomalies Kenpom is in the middle of them all, but gets credit for being the best.
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Are you kidding me? 2 Days later and our record is still 7-0 and they don't show the win against Iowa. SMH
Are you kidding me? 2 Days later and our record is still 7-0 and they don't show the win against Iowa. SMH
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I feel like kenpom's stats are wonderful and have done a lot to change the way we think about the game. His rankings are okay.
I find myself looking at Massey a lot, simply because it is an aggregate of all of the rating systems. You can see the outliers easily. Kenpom has Iowa State higher at 22 than virtually every other ranking.
I find myself looking at Massey a lot, simply because it is an aggregate of all of the rating systems. You can see the outliers easily. Kenpom has Iowa State higher at 22 than virtually every other ranking.
I value that composite throwing out high and low over the AP poll most of the time but not always. I think the 8 computer BCS average minus high and low is the best single football polling system by a mile. It's not because ISU is higher in most computers, it's because it completely takes brand names out of the equation...ISU may be overrated right now at 3-10 in most computer rankings, but if they start losing games they'll drop accordingly, there's simply not many other teams with a better resume than ISU right now.
The truth is college basketball and football have teams with wildly different schedule quality unlike pro sports, voters can't accurately measure that on their own.
Baylor has some nice wins, but I'm not sweating a poll that has them above OK State. I'll be absolutely shocked if Baylor is a higher NCAA seed than the Cowboys.
And, he put UNC at 16 and Kansas at 17. So UNC and KU did not go past ISU. I thought they might.
Of course, that is just one guy's opinion.
