Are we better off?
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Actually Oklahoma was down a bit in the late '90s if I recall - John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger days. And Shortly after Stoops came in (2001?) Nebraska started its slide with Callahan - 2003? Callahan's first year, I think they only won 6 games. Working off memory here so I am probably off with most of this.
While we can argue about the strength of the top, we have to also acknowledge how much weaker the bottom was then too. Okie State was not that good. Baylor was awful.
Actually they were down on Saturday in Dallas...then Boise State...then XXX....both OU and UT have not been barnburners lately...think SEC....remember the year OU, NU, CU were the top three?
Step away from the ledge pal, better yet go off of it. Here is a nother question, do you have anger issues?
Ah, an internet tough guy. Lead the way Alum! Spending Saturday nights in the Story County jail and Monday mornings in court might cause you to have an attitude adjustment.
I have spent many a Saturday at the Jack wearing my purple. I applaud Cyclone fans for cheering on their team and showing class and courtesy towards the opponents fans.
I have spent many a Saturday at the Jack wearing my purple. I applaud Cyclone fans for cheering on their team and showing class and courtesy towards the opponents fans.
Been a cyclone fan for 25 years I would say better off, but Rhoads needs to totally revamp this inept offense under his time so far here
Dan McCarney took the program from absolutely terrible and turned it into program with winning seasons. He raised expectations so high that it let to his own demise. A few plays here and there in 2005 and he'd still be coaching. In terms of what he has done for the program as a whole he has done more than Rhoads at this point. I love Coach Rhoads and his passion and coaching style, but he is in year 5 and has yet to have a winning record in the regular season. I think Rhoads has to get over the hump of 6-6 to be considered better than McCarney. I think the recruiting is better off, attendance is better off, and the coaching is better off (except for the offense), but winning is not that much better off.
Situations be damned. The question is are we better off and that answer is yes. We have better athletes, more talented depth, we are not getting blown out by 40 points (until this weekend), so the answer is yes.
Two things:
#1 The defense has improved a lot under PR. Under Mac the offense would have to score a ton of points to keep it close because the D was such a joke.
#2 It has less to do with PR and Mac and has more to do with who was OC. Neither has a clue when it comes to coaching the offense and have relied on their OC. When we've had bad OC's, the team was bad. Really a lot comes down to the offensive line. When it's been good it's made everyone else look like all stars. I think our team is filled with talented WR and RB's.
#1 The defense has improved a lot under PR. Under Mac the offense would have to score a ton of points to keep it close because the D was such a joke.
#2 It has less to do with PR and Mac and has more to do with who was OC. Neither has a clue when it comes to coaching the offense and have relied on their OC. When we've had bad OC's, the team was bad. Really a lot comes down to the offensive line. When it's been good it's made everyone else look like all stars. I think our team is filled with talented WR and RB's.
The revisionist history by some when it comes to Dan McCarney is perplexing. Fans vote through ticket purchases. In a time when attendance is on the decline in the NCAA, ISU's football attendance is setting new records. The winner of this battle is pretty clear.
The reality is there is no argument when it comes to comparing the two. This thread has more to do with the folks that get a payoff from being contaminators in life. They've taken over this site. I just wish the moderators would invest in some roach motels, so we wouldn't have to deal with so much of this crap.
The reality is there is no argument when it comes to comparing the two. This thread has more to do with the folks that get a payoff from being contaminators in life. They've taken over this site. I just wish the moderators would invest in some roach motels, so we wouldn't have to deal with so much of this crap.
DM vs. UNI 5-0
CPR vs. UNI 2-1
The bolded part speaks volumes to me. In year 5 also! Just a disgrace considering it is year 5.
CPR vs. UNI 2-1
The bolded part speaks volumes to me. In year 5 also! Just a disgrace considering it is year 5.
What about losing to a UCONN team that had never beaten a FBS team in year 8?
What about losing to a Baylor team that had never won on the road in the Big 12 in year 11?
This revisionist history is somewhat laughable.
If ya'll want to remember the glory days of getting blown out by all means go ahead and do it. For ***** sake guys. I cannot believe this is a real topic on here. Iowa State has never received more positive pub, we are about to get our biggest recruit ever, and our stadium is full every, single game. I am baffled.
I am not harking on Danny Mac as a coach, I think he was good. But I don't see him knocking off Nebby or Texas on the road, or beating the Pokes in JTS.
I am not harking on Danny Mac as a coach, I think he was good. But I don't see him knocking off Nebby or Texas on the road, or beating the Pokes in JTS.
I am not saying that DMac was better by any means. I am just saying that we are not really in THAT much better of a place now. People tend to hold CPR on some sort of pedestal and I just don't get it.
McCarney won 9 games in 2000, which was his 6th year in Ames. He had a veteran group and also only played 2 ranked teams that season.
With a team that finished 7-7, including a 46 point loss to Oklahoma and a 51 point loss to Kansas State. That team was never truly a top ten team.
Not going to get into the whole Mac v CPR. But frustrations are going to rise to dangerous levels for CPR if things don't change pretty quickly. Consider:
1) all the facility improvements and investments made over the last 5 years--the product on the field is not up to those investments.
2) if we don't have talent/depth, why not? The excuses of the past are now gone--see above.
3) in year 5 of a program, we should not see this kind of meltdown. This tells me our recruiting has not been up to Big 12 standards for years.
4) Our O is clearly not up to standards--in an offensive dominated league, 300 yds/game of total offense is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. And we have been doing it for years.
I hope CPR figures it out. At most places, his seat would be on fire. But, we are Iowa State.
1) all the facility improvements and investments made over the last 5 years--the product on the field is not up to those investments.
2) if we don't have talent/depth, why not? The excuses of the past are now gone--see above.
3) in year 5 of a program, we should not see this kind of meltdown. This tells me our recruiting has not been up to Big 12 standards for years.
4) Our O is clearly not up to standards--in an offensive dominated league, 300 yds/game of total offense is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. And we have been doing it for years.
I hope CPR figures it out. At most places, his seat would be on fire. But, we are Iowa State.
It's been well documented that the recruiting problem is due to the amount of player turnover we've had in the redshirt senior and true senior classes. Plus, they weren't Rhoads' best classes to begin with (his first and second year here).
If that attrition continues, Rhoads' time here will probably only last a few more years, but I don't see that happening. We'll have seasons like this from time to time (every 5 years or so?), but I have full confidence that we're going to be back to a bowl game next year AND in 2015.
