*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[megamanxzero35]

TheDude has spoken.

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

• The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
• The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
• ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
• If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
• Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries aobut NCAA violations.
• Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
• Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2...-and-storm.html

Surprising at Louisville. They seemed like a reasonable #14 regional to link Kansas school, Iowa State and WVU.

 

[HFCS]

Surprising at Louisville. They seemed like a reasonable #14 regional to link Kansas school, Iowa State and WVU.

Not to mention it gives B12 two of the top 7 basketball revenues and eventually a basketball rivalry only eclipsed by UNC/Duke. A new mid-sized TV market we're not in already. 13 teams, 3 ACC schools, and no Louisville would be completely idiotic.

Dibs on ISU being in the division where we only have to beat 5 teams instead of 6. That's really fair and ideal.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Looks like we aren't the only ones who come up with never-in-a-million-years realignment scenarios:

College Football: Richie’s Realignment « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

 

[CyFan61]

If all that stuff is true, then sign me up for a Big 14 with Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech... with a $30 million (or more) per school TV contract. :yes:

 

[CyFan987]

TheDude has spoken.

Big 12 Expansion: The Quiet And The Storm

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

• The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
• The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.
• ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
• If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
• Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries aobut NCAA violations.
• Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
• Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2...-and-storm.html

How reliable is this guy?

 

[BloodyBuddy]

Kind of hard believe we would take FSU, Clemson and GT, then stop at awkward 13 with Louisville sitting there in a medium sized new TV market, above average football resources and perhaps #1 basketball resources/gate.

If Louisville would be #13 I can see them out, 3 ACC teams jump and Louisville is in. I also could see 2 ACC teams, then 2 more later, just can't see 3 ACC teams and that's it with no Louisville.

If we take those 3 we might as well go after someone bigger than Louisville. Pitt would make alot more sense. Or if we can get into NC or Virginia/Maryland. Louisville is a backup plan. I don't get why so many people want Louisville.

 

[southernfriedCY]

How reliable is this guy?

He is credited with being the first to acknowledge from his "sources" that WV was coming to the Big 12.

 

[HFCS]

Looks like we aren't the only ones who come up with never-in-a-million-years realignment scenarios:

College Football: Richie’s Realignment « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

I think the current craziness makes a lot more sense than that haha. Iowa fans would love the idea of playing Nevada and Utah schools since they're always going on about how great a fit Iowa State would be for the mountain region.

 

[CyFan61]

I could get used to this:

 

[CyFan61]

Here's my first shot at a Big 14 divisional split... North/South

Would have protected crossover rivalries as well, to keep Bedlam.

 

[megamanxzero35]

Not to mention it gives B12 two of the top 7 basketball revenues and eventually a basketball rivalry only eclipsed by UNC/Duke. A new mid-sized TV market we're not in already. 13 teams, 3 ACC schools, and no Louisville would be completely idiotic.

Dibs on ISU being in the division where we only have to beat 5 teams instead of 6. That's really fair and ideal.

Yep. And I just found out from Reddit this weekend Louisville basketball is insanely profitable.

While that is generally true, Louisville basketball is the most profitable in the country by a wide margin. In fact, last year, Louisville BASKETBALL made a profit of US$27,551,289. For comparison, Ohio State FOOTBALL made US$26,463,498.

Source.

Would be an easy 14 pick in my mind.

 

[everyyard]

Here's my first shot at a Big 14 divisional split... North/South

Would have protected crossover rivalries as well, to keep Bedlam.

The north teams won't go for that as they will want games in the south more often than that for recruiting.

 

[HFCS]

If we take those 3 we might as well go after someone bigger than Louisville. Pitt would make alot more sense. Or if we can get into NC or Virginia/Maryland. Louisville is a backup plan. I don't get why so many people want Louisville.

That makes more sense than what this guy is saying. Stopping at 13 like the guy suggests with Louisville being "out" doesn't make any sense.

I think Louisville is a better add than Pitt. Program on the rise versus a program in decline. Their athletic budget and attendance in all sports is higher, top dog in a medium size city where Pitt is an afterthought to pro sports in a not much bigger market. Much better geographic fit. Much more realistic that Louisville football can dominate UK than Pitt football will ever be significant again vs. Steelers and PSU.

I agree with either VT or UVA being a massive score if we have Clemson/FSU/GT.

 

[everyyard]

I'd grab pitt and skip g tech, but thats me.

 

[Al_4_State]

I'd grab pitt and skip g tech, but thats me.

No Pitt. They play home games in a half full NFL stadium. Barf.

 

[HFCS]

Yep. And I just found out from Reddit this weekend Louisville basketball is insanely profitable.



Source.

Would be an easy 14 pick in my mind.

Louisville's football attendance, stadium capacity and overall athletic budget are way higher than people perceive. Their football upside absolutely crushes most of the other "basketball" schools out there.

I'm not saying we go to 11 just to add them, but it's stupid to sit at 13 if they could be 14. I could see if 2 or 4 acc teams are a better way though.

 

[megamanxzero35]

Here's my first shot at a Big 14 divisional split... North/South

Would have protected crossover rivalries as well, to keep Bedlam.

I don't think that would work because you would put all 3 national brands in one division. FSU, UT, and OU.

Even my map of 16 from yesterday had some problems.

OU and UT in one division and FSU in the other. Split the Texas school into sets of 2. Other schools I don't know how they would slit.

 

[southernfriedCY]

That makes more sense than what this guy is saying. Stopping at 13 like the guy suggests with Louisville being "out" doesn't make any sense.

I think Louisville is a better add than Pitt. Program on the rise versus a program in decline. Their athletic budget and attendance in all sports is higher, top dog in a medium size city where Pitt is an afterthought to pro sports in a not much bigger market. Much better geographic fit. Much more realistic that Louisville football can dominate UK than Pitt football will ever be significant again vs. Steelers and PSU.

I agree with either VT or UVA being a massive score if we have Clemson/FSU/GT.

I don't think he's suggesting that we stop at 13. What he's saying is that the contract escalator clause doesn't kick in until we expand beyond 12. And who those candidates are will be determined by ESPN/Fox based on revenue producing value, not where they are located. Think "electronic footprint".

 

[BloodyBuddy]

Here is the split I like (With Crossover Rival):

KSU-KU
ISU-WVA
OSU-OU
FSU-Texas
GTech-Clemson
TCU-Baylor
TTech-Lousiville/VTech/Pitt...Ect

 

[Al_4_State]

Here is the split I like (With Crossover Rival):

KSU-KU
ISU-WVA
OSU-OU
FSU-Texas
GTech-Clemson
TCU-Baylor
TTech-Lousiville/VTech/Pitt...Ect

Having OU, UT and WVU in one division is too much.

I'd swap WVU and GA Tech.