Herman Gone? Some possible replacements
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Here is a video of the LA Tech guy/Houston as well...
(Hard to find videos of their team.)
Houston Cougars vs. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs - Video - September 17, 2011 - ESPN
Here is a video of the LA Tech guy/Houston as well...
(Hard to find videos of their team.)
Houston Cougars vs. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs - Video - September 17, 2011 - ESPN
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The only thing we know for sure is that no one will know anything about it until it's announced. Does anyone keep a tighter lid on hires than Pollard, and the department as a whole?
I view this as an opportunity. Sometimes it seemed like there were too many moving pieces to our offense. We tried to do so many different things that we had trouble at times getting any consistency. In each of the last 3 seasons it's taken half the year to develop an offensive identity. Whoever we bring in needs to establish an identity from the start.
I'm not suggesting we scrap the spread. I don't think we will. But I don't think it would be all so apocalyptic if we did. Great playmakers make great plays in any system. JJ Moses wasn't that long ago, was he? He was way more involved in our conservative power run offense than any of our current crop of comparably sized and skilled group of WR's have been in our uptempo spread. We have enough speed and skill at most positions to run most offenses at least as effectively as we've been running ours. The problem will always be finding the right QB for the system. But we've got a full stable, and no one that's so firmly the leader (as Arnaud was) that they can't be usurped. Again, not saying we should go away from the spread, particularly one that runs the zone-read that seems to fit Barnett and our RB's. But the players will have an adjustment to make either way, and they will do it. It's an easier adjustment for youth and talent and we've got more of that on offense than we have for any previous change.
There's a lot of talk about needing a 'spread OC'. Hasn't the spread been around long enough that everyone's heard that the 'spread' refers to the distance between the offensive linemen. Whereas Zone Read would refer to the particular type of plays we try to run out of our spread formation. We could hire a 'spread OC' who is just as wrong (and maybe even moreso) for our current players than we could by hiring a pro-style OC. A minor and probably insignificant point, I know. I just get tired of the word 'spread offense' getting thrown around like it refers solely to the exciting wide-open uptempo offense that puts up video game numbers at places like Oregon and Okie State (and previously Texas Tech) Those three offenses are all spreads and all completely different from each other.
The only thing we know for sure is that no one will know anything about it until it's announced. Does anyone keep a tighter lid on hires than Pollard, and the department as a whole?
I view this as an opportunity. Sometimes it seemed like there were too many moving pieces to our offense. We tried to do so many different things that we had trouble at times getting any consistency. In each of the last 3 seasons it's taken half the year to develop an offensive identity. Whoever we bring in needs to establish an identity from the start.
I'm not suggesting we scrap the spread. I don't think we will. But I don't think it would be all so apocalyptic if we did. Great playmakers make great plays in any system. JJ Moses wasn't that long ago, was he? He was way more involved in our conservative power run offense than any of our current crop of comparably sized and skilled group of WR's have been in our uptempo spread. We have enough speed and skill at most positions to run most offenses at least as effectively as we've been running ours. The problem will always be finding the right QB for the system. But we've got a full stable, and no one that's so firmly the leader (as Arnaud was) that they can't be usurped. Again, not saying we should go away from the spread, particularly one that runs the zone-read that seems to fit Barnett and our RB's. But the players will have an adjustment to make either way, and they will do it. It's an easier adjustment for youth and talent and we've got more of that on offense than we have for any previous change.
There's a lot of talk about needing a 'spread OC'. Hasn't the spread been around long enough that everyone's heard that the 'spread' refers to the distance between the offensive linemen. Whereas Zone Read would refer to the particular type of plays we try to run out of our spread formation. We could hire a 'spread OC' who is just as wrong (and maybe even moreso) for our current players than we could by hiring a pro-style OC. A minor and probably insignificant point, I know. I just get tired of the word 'spread offense' getting thrown around like it refers solely to the exciting wide-open uptempo offense that puts up video game numbers at places like Oregon and Okie State (and previously Texas Tech) Those three offenses are all spreads and all completely different from each other.
Personally I would like a coordinator that prefers to run the ball. I think its easier for ISU to succeed that way because it can be harder for us to recruit all the good athletes for receivers. However we can develop good lineman and there are always plenty of capable running backs available. Plus in the Big XII it would be beneficial to control the ball and keep other offenses off the field. Basically I think we should try to be like K-State.
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I only asked because Barney cotton is darius and jordan cottons dad and he used to ump my baseball games in high school. Since he played at iowa i figured he might of been a position coach in college at some point. My bad.
I only asked because Barney cotton is darius and jordan cottons dad and he used to ump my baseball games in high school. Since he played at iowa i figured he might of been a position coach in college at some point. My bad.
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The how i met your mother part was a joke. But me not knowing barney cotton was not
The how i met your mother part was a joke. But me not knowing barney cotton was not
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Pollard is ninja but it'll be CPR making this one, and paragraphs are your friend.
Spread has become a generic catch all phrase anymore. There are different types but I think the reason we need a spread OC is because the personnel that we have been recruiting for 3 years fits a "spread" more than a "pro style" Off. Mainly the QB and OL.
Pollard is ninja but it'll be CPR making this one, and paragraphs are your friend.
Spread has become a generic catch all phrase anymore. There are different types but I think the reason we need a spread OC is because the personnel that we have been recruiting for 3 years fits a "spread" more than a "pro style" Off. Mainly the QB and OL.
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When Herman was at Rice he threw the ball like crazy. When he go to ISU he made adjustments because that is what CPR wanted. I really think he was starting to figure it out the last half of this season, but his calls were still suspect.
It could be a good move for him. He will get to learn from great coaches and maybe be a step away from stepping in the OC job at OSU. If he can get the OC job at OSU and if he does well a BCS head job could be his. If he stayed at ISU it would be harder for him to jump into a BCS head job, he would prob have to go the non-BCS route first.
It could be a good move for him. He will get to learn from great coaches and maybe be a step away from stepping in the OC job at OSU. If he can get the OC job at OSU and if he does well a BCS head job could be his. If he stayed at ISU it would be harder for him to jump into a BCS head job, he would prob have to go the non-BCS route first.
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Can't read. Use the enter key to separate thoughts next time.
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Not sure if serious, but the spread offense is not meant to describe the distance between linemen, but rather the amount of field used by all of the players to "spread" the defense out. That's why spread offenses generally roll with a lot of receivers - the goal is to move the defense apart and make it more vulnerable.
You are correct that there are different offenses to run within a spread (for example, a spread option against an aerial assault), but the spread in a general sense is about a heck of a lot more than OL splits.
Not sure if serious, but the spread offense is not meant to describe the distance between linemen, but rather the amount of field used by all of the players to "spread" the defense out. That's why spread offenses generally roll with a lot of receivers - the goal is to move the defense apart and make it more vulnerable.
You are correct that there are different offenses to run within a spread (for example, a spread option against an aerial assault), but the spread in a general sense is about a heck of a lot more than OL splits.
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The spread has taken on the meaning and all the connotations you have given it. But, it has always referred to the amount of space between the offensive linemen. The idea was if the QB was in the shotgun, by the time he catches the snap the pocket is formed and he has built in passing lanes for the quick passes. The defense doesn't have time to get pressure and gets tired from running side to side and chasing in space. It does spread the defense out. Specifically the front 7. Wider passing and running lanes. But you need nimble O linemen who can operate in space and a QB that gets the ball out on time, and your RB/QB has to be of the quick variety to get through the holes, because the line isn't generally forming a wall for them to follow. These are the things that the various styles of spreads have in common. So 'the spread', in a general sense, refers just to these things, and it starts with the OLine. As unsexy as it is.
The wider spread creates numerous weaknesses in the defense, which area the OC tries to attack distinguishes one spread from another. As defenses have evolved, offenses have added wrinkles here and there and have diverged to the point where Oregon and Auburn can play each other, both running a 'spread' offense, and the only thing they have in common is in fact that the OLine is wider than a traditional OLine.
There was a big deal about this shortly after Texas Tech started lighting people up and everyone started trying to copy it. And I know our own coaches have alluded to the different angles that it creates for our running game.
It's really only a sidebar to the main point that I was trying to make about how not just 'any old spread OC' would work. We don't have to stick to 'the spread', we can find other offensive systems that our current players can fit in. I think we will stay with something similar to what we have and try to keep some continuity. But talent will always shine, and young players will make mistakes in whatever system they're learning.
The spread has taken on the meaning and all the connotations you have given it. But, it has always referred to the amount of space between the offensive linemen. The idea was if the QB was in the shotgun, by the time he catches the snap the pocket is formed and he has built in passing lanes for the quick passes. The defense doesn't have time to get pressure and gets tired from running side to side and chasing in space. It does spread the defense out. Specifically the front 7. Wider passing and running lanes. But you need nimble O linemen who can operate in space and a QB that gets the ball out on time, and your RB/QB has to be of the quick variety to get through the holes, because the line isn't generally forming a wall for them to follow. These are the things that the various styles of spreads have in common. So 'the spread', in a general sense, refers just to these things, and it starts with the OLine. As unsexy as it is.
The wider spread creates numerous weaknesses in the defense, which area the OC tries to attack distinguishes one spread from another. As defenses have evolved, offenses have added wrinkles here and there and have diverged to the point where Oregon and Auburn can play each other, both running a 'spread' offense, and the only thing they have in common is in fact that the OLine is wider than a traditional OLine.
There was a big deal about this shortly after Texas Tech started lighting people up and everyone started trying to copy it. And I know our own coaches have alluded to the different angles that it creates for our running game.
It's really only a sidebar to the main point that I was trying to make about how not just 'any old spread OC' would work. We don't have to stick to 'the spread', we can find other offensive systems that our current players can fit in. I think we will stay with something similar to what we have and try to keep some continuity. But talent will always shine, and young players will make mistakes in whatever system they're learning.
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Leading QB rusher in the nation with 1300+ yards.
QB Chandler Harnish.
Leading QB rusher in the nation with 1300+ yards.
QB Chandler Harnish.
Or mediocre college quarterback like Chris Leak. Urban won before Tebow and he will win after.
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The irony is that everyone thought that for us to compete in the B12 we would need a gimmick and the spread offense was brought in to give ISU that "edge". Now with the spread being ubiquitous having a pro style offense would be the "gimmick" offense in the B12.
The irony is that everyone thought that for us to compete in the B12 we would need a gimmick and the spread offense was brought in to give ISU that "edge". Now with the spread being ubiquitous having a pro style offense would be the "gimmick" offense in the B12.
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I know this is off-topic... but you are really missing the forest for the trees here. The spread offense in its general sense refers to horizontal spread of the entire offense, hence the multiple WR sets. The OL may serve as a part of this, but are in no way the reason for the term "spread offense". I would usually say "agree to disagree" on something so unimportant as this argument but that's just plain wrong. :realmad:
I know this is off-topic... but you are really missing the forest for the trees here. The spread offense in its general sense refers to horizontal spread of the entire offense, hence the multiple WR sets. The OL may serve as a part of this, but are in no way the reason for the term "spread offense". I would usually say "agree to disagree" on something so unimportant as this argument but that's just plain wrong. :realmad:
