JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!
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Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end
Would this be a good time for Penn State to finally change their uniform tradition? Why not? Those things are so blah. I don't even think their cool because they are so plain. How can someone think a plain white helmet and plain white pants are cool?
Would this be a good time for Penn State to finally change their uniform tradition? Why not? Those things are so blah. I don't even think their cool because they are so plain. How can someone think a plain white helmet and plain white pants are cool?
Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end
JoPa should be forced to resign.
Today.
Not sure what else to say beyond that.
JoPa should be forced to resign.
Today.
Not sure what else to say beyond that.
Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end
Paterno needs to go right now. The whole program needs to be (figuratively) burned to the ground and rebuilt. Current players should be allowed to choose to stay or be given the right to transfer without having to sit out a year. This is too out of control and it's obvious someone at Penn State thinks something can be salvaged. It can't. Paterno is not so important that he should be given a graceful exit.
Paterno needs to go right now. The whole program needs to be (figuratively) burned to the ground and rebuilt. Current players should be allowed to choose to stay or be given the right to transfer without having to sit out a year. This is too out of control and it's obvious someone at Penn State thinks something can be salvaged. It can't. Paterno is not so important that he should be given a graceful exit.
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This - it is a close call - mandatory reporting is required in Pennsylvania when these factors are in play:
The mandatory reporter suspects that a child in the care of the suspect affiliated with the organization is the victim of abuse.
Where a prosecution would get tripped up is if Paterno has just enough confusion to indicate that he didn't reasonably suspect abuse. Furthermore, as it is only a third degree misdemeanor, Paterno's worst possible legal crime is very much small potatoes to the greater cover-up. In other words, even if you zealously wanted to prosecute Paterno, you could reasonably write it off as a waste of resources.
In most cases like this where there is enough gray area (i.e. not an eyewitness, not familiar with the victim, not directly involved with the activities of the suspect, etc.), charges for the misdemeanor won't be made. (and in many cases, shouldn't be made. As much as we'd like to think mandatory reporting is a perfect law, you can technically break it even if no crime was actually committed!)
Mandatory reporting is important because it incentivizes responsible people (with the threat of charges) to be responsible in the care of children. It isn't a law designed to catch every person who doesn't perfectly fulfill their legal duty.
This - it is a close call - mandatory reporting is required in Pennsylvania when these factors are in play:
The mandatory reporter suspects that a child in the care of the suspect affiliated with the organization is the victim of abuse.
Where a prosecution would get tripped up is if Paterno has just enough confusion to indicate that he didn't reasonably suspect abuse. Furthermore, as it is only a third degree misdemeanor, Paterno's worst possible legal crime is very much small potatoes to the greater cover-up. In other words, even if you zealously wanted to prosecute Paterno, you could reasonably write it off as a waste of resources.
In most cases like this where there is enough gray area (i.e. not an eyewitness, not familiar with the victim, not directly involved with the activities of the suspect, etc.), charges for the misdemeanor won't be made. (and in many cases, shouldn't be made. As much as we'd like to think mandatory reporting is a perfect law, you can technically break it even if no crime was actually committed!)
Mandatory reporting is important because it incentivizes responsible people (with the threat of charges) to be responsible in the care of children. It isn't a law designed to catch every person who doesn't perfectly fulfill their legal duty.
University. The police had no ideas this was even happening until 2007 when one of the victims told his principal what happened.
Yet another GIANT failure by Penn State University that ultimately led to more boys being molested/raped.
Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end
My thoughts exactly. Since I have heard more details about the story, I have lost all respect for Paterno. At first, I hoped that he would be found to have had no real culpability in this, but now, I think he should be fired and not allowed to coach his last home game. No more cheers for the man that did nothing. How many young boys have had their lives ruined since 2002? The 1998 alegation has the first straw. Paterno could possibly overlook this because he did not know for sure. But when it happened in his own locker room, thats when you need to wash your hands of the matter and out Sandusky, NO MATTER WHAT! I don't care if he's your friend and you can't believe it's true. You have a duty to every single boy that came into contact with Sandusky from 2002 to now. Hell, if he notified the authorities in 2002, people would probably love him even more than they did up until last week.
There is no effing reason to cover up for someone that isn't even on the staff anymore. Just stupid and sickening.
My thoughts exactly. Since I have heard more details about the story, I have lost all respect for Paterno. At first, I hoped that he would be found to have had no real culpability in this, but now, I think he should be fired and not allowed to coach his last home game. No more cheers for the man that did nothing. How many young boys have had their lives ruined since 2002? The 1998 alegation has the first straw. Paterno could possibly overlook this because he did not know for sure. But when it happened in his own locker room, thats when you need to wash your hands of the matter and out Sandusky, NO MATTER WHAT! I don't care if he's your friend and you can't believe it's true. You have a duty to every single boy that came into contact with Sandusky from 2002 to now. Hell, if he notified the authorities in 2002, people would probably love him even more than they did up until last week.
There is no effing reason to cover up for someone that isn't even on the staff anymore. Just stupid and sickening.
No one knows that he didn't. I think that is really all the people that are getting accused of "Paterno worshipping" are saying. I just want to hear Paterno make his public statement before I join the mob.
As head coach JoePa was effectively head of the department, a department which has seperate offices and facilities from the rest of the university. As head coach he likely spent more than an average work week at the facilities and had the opportunity and obligation to follow up on these horrible incidents. He FAILED.
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What the eff are you talking about?
Uniforms?
Are you really that immature to be seriously talking about uniforms?
What the eff are you talking about?
Uniforms?
Are you really that immature to be seriously talking about uniforms?
Beats the hell out of me. But, since I never used the word "worship" here, maybe you're asking the wrong dude?
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I think the thing that sticks with me is that Paterno continued to see Sandusky with the kids and even had them at practice up to about 5-6 years ago. IMO Paterno is just as much guilty as the rest of the **** bags.
Because one thing you always get out of a "public statement" is solid details about what really happened.
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I could give two ***** about what the hell is going on with Penn State. Paterno is a dirty old man who coverd up child rape and won't be coaching there next season. I was just asking a question. What is the big deal?
Totally get that. If he doesn't straight up say that somebody lied to him, then I think it's pretty clear that he probably knew things weren't on the up and up and a lot of people's worst assumptions will gain a lot more traction with me. The fact that he clearly wants to speak out publicly and Penn State won't let him just raises my eyebrows a little bit.
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Its all about timing bud...now is not the right time to talk about trivial **** like uniforms. Save it for a couple months from now after the dust has settled. To many emotions are still involved as this story evolves.
Its all about timing bud...now is not the right time to talk about trivial **** like uniforms. Save it for a couple months from now after the dust has settled. To many emotions are still involved as this story evolves.
It did. Which might actually indicate that the investigators had a hard time. It might also indicate that when Paterno did follow up that Tim Curley, "who has since stepped down and has charged with lying to the state grand jury investigating the case" might have also told Paterno that there was nothing there. If it ultimately comes to light that Paterno knew specifics and did nothing I'll be right there with you calling for his name to be spoken alongside Hitler's. But for now we don't know what we don't know.
Thank you. I think you've much more eloquently stated the point I've tried to make for the past two days.
Graduate Assistant tells Paterno, who tells Athletic Director Curley, who tells Vice President Schultz, who tells President Spanier, who doesnt tell the tops.
Curley and Schultz are in legal trouble. Graduate Assistant, Paterno and Spanier are not?
Curley and Schultz are in legal trouble. Graduate Assistant, Paterno and Spanier are not?
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That's quite a stretch if you go back and read my post...I am sure you won't though.
These issues happened within the football portion of the athletic department. He is the CEO. It is his job to KNOW and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, not listen to what one or two people told him and let it die or pass it along in the name of protocol. This is too big of an issue for that.
We won't agree here and I am fine with that.
