Would you honestly call the police first? Don't you think you'd at least shout at the guy like, "Hey, what are you doing?!" or make a loud coughing noise at least?!
JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!
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Would you honestly call the police first? Don't you think you'd at least shout at the guy like, "Hey, what are you doing?!" or make a loud coughing noise at least?!
I'd truly like to think that that's how I would react. But a campus late at night as a small, unarmed female? Against a larger male who obviously has something to keep quiet? I just can't be sure that I would do in the moment. But I do know that it would be reported. And I would follow up on it.
I think you're right. It was more in response to Cowgirl asserting that calling your Dad is a first move that a lot of people would make. At best that seems odd.
I don't think it would be crazy to think that some people might call someone whose advice and support they trust before making that kind of move. Leveling that kind of accusation at someone when it will essentially be their word against yours (since I doubt the GA knew the kid's name or how to track him down) is bound to have some backlash.
Exactly. Which is why he ultimately told Paterno; surely he knew JoePa has more power than him to facilitate swift action on something like this. Or so he thought.
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And let's face it, in our society, the messenger always gets backlash and blacklisted. I have seen it time and time again. I don't see anything wrong with the GA calling his father for advice; dad, I saw this, who do I tell? Let's be real here, being a whistleblower usually ends a career.
CycloneErik
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Question: Paterno turned this over, basically, to the AD. Was that just a normal procedure at Penn State (or other schools)?
What I'm wondering is whether this is/has been some sort of "normal" procedure that schools have followed over the years. If it is, this really would be just the tip of the iceberg, and an ugly story is just the precursor for some much uglier stories.
What I'm wondering is whether this is/has been some sort of "normal" procedure that schools have followed over the years. If it is, this really would be just the tip of the iceberg, and an ugly story is just the precursor for some much uglier stories.
Um. Your neighbor witnesses your high school coach raping your 8 year old son in the shower. He tells the school. The school thinks it is no big deal-tells no one. Your son is afraid. He tells no one.
To your neighbor's credit, he's a nice guy. You still say "hi" every morning.
Good Post.
Spanier graduated from Highland Park High School (Highland Park, Illinois), and earned his bachelor's and master's degrees from Iowa State University where he was honored with the Distinguished Achievement Citation by the ISU Alumni Association in 2004.[2] He earned his Ph.D.. in sociology from Northwestern University where he was a Woodrow Wilson Fellow. While a researcher, he contributed to the publication of ten books and over 100 scholarly journal articles. As a family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and family therapist, he was the founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues.[3] Spanier was also an author of a study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior concerning the practice of mate swapping, or "swinging".[4]
Can't wait to see the spin the ISU Vision Magazine puts on it.
Just like the guy at Baylor that recorded David Bliss tell people to lie to the cops. He's blacklisted in the MBB world.
"Nothing in his lifetime—not all the good he has done, not all the people whose lives he has touched—meant more than that day in 2002 when a graduate assistant told him he saw Sandusky’s criminal act."
Great Post. Thank you.
Here's a related question:
In your place of work, if you observe blatant sexual harassment but were neither party directly involved what is your company's policy?
Is it:
A. Call the cops
B. Report to an immediate supervisor
C. Wait to let the harassed individual report
D. Say nothing since it wasn't you
My place of work (a University): B
Edit: I'm not saying this is what I would do just pointing out what policy states in respect to the quote. Sorry if that wasn't clear. The GA clearly should have stopped it right there (which is what I would have done) and then reported to the COPS not Joe Pa. After he decided not to and reported it to Joe Pa he should have reported it to the cops again that didn't happen all the way to the top.
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CyBer
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Sexual harrassment and rape of a 10 year old boy are totally different things. Calling the cops would be the right thing to do.
Sodomy of a minor =/= sexual harrassment.
The whole thing stinks, from top to bottom. The GA should have tried to stop the sodomy (I am a 5'2" female, and I would have gotten involved when it involves a child, at risk to myself). Joe Pa should be ashamed of himself for just saying, "Oh, well, I did what was legally required of me, no more or less." The administration should be brought up on some type of conspiracy to commit child molestation or something for their inaction.
You say he should be ashamed of himself based on what you THINK you know about what occurred. You have no knowledge of how the message was conveyed to JoPa, and no knowledge of any other circumstances that might have led JoPa to believe reporting it to the AD was the absolute right call at the time.
That alone is shameful.
Remember the Duke lacrosse players and the prostitute? Might be best to keep misguided opinions and knee-jerk reactions at a minimum until things play out.
Jesus ****ing Christ, are people at PSU and on this board in a ****ing moral fog? If you are watching the sodomy of a little boy TAKING PLACE your options are;
a. intervene
b. intervene
c. intervene
d. intervene
Essentially they told the guy in 2002 to take the child rape off campus and proceeded to do nothing about what he'd already done.
Paterno is culpable in this. The only reason not to pursue Sandusky is what Sandusky "had" on PSU. Yes Angie, this whole thing stinks from top to bottom.
So eight boys perjured themselves in the grand jury and the GA was lying and the AD resigned but is innocent? Got it.
One prostitute =/= eight young boys and a graduate assistant. But good try on "shaming" me. I'm pretty comfortable with my statement.
GREAT post. I am physically ill after reading the 23-page report. I just can't even think about how anyone could have let that go.
