Mizzou to SEC "inevitable and imminent"

[mt85]

You know, I think you are right about that. If there's one aspect that probably has been overlooked, it's the rivalry thing. ISU fans might have a unique perspective on this. You don't really have ONE key natural rival in this conference; your "circle the calendar" rival has always been in another conference (Iowa). At least you play them every year.

I don't think a lot of Mizzou fans realize what they'll miss by not being hated by somebody else. Scheduling KU to the non-conf. schedule fills a lot of needs: a VERY beatable BCS conf. team that's nearby (they should play it on campus thought, not in KC) and draws a lot of local interest. But that's far from a done deal at this point.

As much as I hate to admit it, the conference hasn't been the same since NU and CU left. I've never felt much about playing the TX schools - that Big 8-to-SWC graft just never took. But whether you think the old Big 8 died in 1996, or finally expired last year with realignment, one thing is clear. It's not the same anymore.

Maybe we'll rekindle the rivalry with Arkansas (which actually goes back a ways, and just got fired up again with the return of Suitcase Mike Anderson). Who knows? It won't be the same in the SEC...but it's not really the same in the Big 12 either, especially once the Big East refugees are added.

Oddly, I thought that Tom Shatel from the OWH (Mizzou grad, but still a Nub) summed up the majority of Mizzou fans' emotions regarding the move. SIAP.

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I will guarantee you that a conference rival is a whole different level then a non conference rival. I highly doubt the KU MU rivalry will continue in the near term. If you divorce your spouse you shouldn't expect him/her to continue to sleep with you. From what I've read, KU is not going to let Missouri have its cake and eat it to. The same is happening with Texas and A & M.

As to Shatel's article, there are no guarantees in any conference. These mega conferences are just as likely to fail for the very same reason he cites about Texas. I would actually contend that the SEC at 14 to 16 teams is more likely to destabilize then a 10 team Big XII.

Lets be honest every school is out for itself. You don't need to look any further then your own school.

The day will come when the Alabamas, Floridas, LSUs of the SEC are just as likely to say we can make a lot more money if we bust away and form a smaller conference. A 14 to 16 team conference gets so diluted that the traditions and rivalries between divisions will start to fade, and there is going to be push back when people start to understand this.

You say that Texas never moved the needle for you. Why do you think that is? Is it because you only faced them every couple of years? Is it because it takes so much time to build a history that creates passion? I think it is a combination of those things.

The tough thing for Missouri is that as the new kid on the block in an expanded SEC, it will be that much tougher for you to build rivalries. You will face the opponents for the other division so infrequently they will always feel like non conference opponents. If my speculation is true that these mega conferences will eventually destabilize, ironically, Missouri may end up in a more precarious position then they would have been in a smaller Big XII.

Abandoning your long time mates may come back to bite you in ways you haven't contemplated.

 

[TedKumsher]

Sooooo, what's the definition of imminent these days?

Indeed. A big pet peeve. Along with "could be as soon as"

 

[00clone]

...per Pete Thamel at the New York Times:

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
BREAKING: Missouri's application to the SEC is "inevitable and imminent." nyti.ms/pYNXem

Ahh another twitter mis-spelling. It is supposed to be "Missouri's application to the SEC is "immature and idiotic". It happens.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I've been reading TigerBoard this morning. It looks like some of the anti-SEC fans are finally starting to voice their opinion. A couple key points:

- The Dallas Morning News posted an article that Mizzou leaving immediately would cause a huge scheduling problem for Big 12 football in 2012. Apparently everyone's schedule around the country is already set so it is too late for the remaining Big 12 teams to pick up another nonconference game. That means lawsuits.

- The Mizzou fans in KC who want to stay in the Big 12 are starting to gain some traction. Some fans point out that KC will have no loyalty to the SEC given the proximity of KU (and the possible loss of the Big 12 b-ball tourney in KC) and that means Mizzou will likely lose out when competing for recruits in KC. I didn't realize how much Mizzou has relied on KC in recent years... guys like Denmon, Rush, Aldon, Peeler, Dixon, Marcus Lucas, Temple, Coffman and Gaines.

What I don't understand is how, if Missouri follows the letter of the Big 12 bylaws in regards to conference withdrawal, meets all applicable deadlines for notification, and pays the agreed-upon buyout, the rest of the conference can sue them? Sounds like the problem is with the timelines in the bylaws...not with Mizzou.

Hey...if your non-conf. opponent beats you, and you go 5-7 next season, are you going to sue Missouri AGAIN for your lost bowl revenue? Sounds like a final attempt to scare the SEC into holding back. Is UT THAT desperate?

In regards to the "anti-SEC" Mizzou contingent, I wouldn't sweat it too much. They're not PHYSICALLY moving the campus, or the city of Kansas City, away from each other. MU fans will still follow MU. Other Big 12 fans who had a passing interest in Mizzou due to competition won't. That's just as true of Cyclone fans in DSM as it is of KU or KSU fans in KC.

You want to argue that moving to the SEC will hurt recruiting in Texas, I'll listen to that argument. You think that leaving the Big 12 means we can't recruit as effectively in the 2nd largest metro area in our own state? That's silly.

Some people just need to realize that the University of Missouri doesn't exist for the benefit of KC tourism. KC hotels and restaurants benefitted when we were on the eastern end of a conference within easy driving distance of 6 teams. One's gone already. This decision is a bigger issue than whether the Sprint Center is filled 4 days out of the year.

 

[jbhtexas]

Sooooo, what's the definition of imminent these days?

In this case, I would propose not likely...

 

[billpickles]

See ya later Missouri. We're gonna miss you. You're gonna miss us more.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I will guarantee you that a conference rival is a whole different level then a non conference rival. I highly doubt the KU MU rivalry will continue in the near term. If you divorce your spouse you shouldn't expect him/her to continue to sleep with you. From what I've read, KU is not going to let Missouri have its cake and eat it to. The same is happening with Texas and A & M.

As to Shatel's article, there are no guarantees in any conference. These mega conferences are just as likely to fail for the very same reason he cites about Texas. I would actually contend that the SEC at 14 to 16 teams is more likely to destabilize then a 10 team Big XII.

Lets be honest every school is out for itself. You don't need to look any further then your own school.

The day will come when the Alabamas, Floridas, LSUs of the SEC are just as likely to say we can make a lot more money if we bust away and form a smaller conference. A 14 to 16 team conference gets so diluted that the traditions and rivalries between divisions will start to fade, and there is going to be push back when people start to understand this.

You say that Texas never moved the needle for you. Why do you think that is? Is it because you only faced them every couple of years? Is it because it takes so much time to build a history that creates passion? I think it is a combination of those things.

The tough thing for Missouri is that as the new kid on the block in an expanded SEC, it will be that much tougher for you to build rivalries. You will face the opponents for the other division so infrequently they will always feel like non conference opponents. If my speculation is true that these mega conferences will eventually destabilize, ironically, Missouri may end up in a more precarious position then they would have been in a smaller Big XII.

Abandoning your long time mates may come back to bite you in ways you haven't contemplated.

I respect your opinion regarding the rivalries, but I have to disagree. The whole "divorce your spouse" argument may carry the day, but it's completely irrational. As you've surely noticed, KU has a hard team getting people to watch its football product lately. There is NO non-conf. team that could generate the revenue and interest of playing Missouri. They could really use that right now.

Look at it this way...if NU offered a home-and-home non. conf. series to ISU, would YOU want to turn it down because they "jilted" you? Hell no...because it's a great game with a former rival that will draw a LOT of Huskers (and Cyclones) to JTS.

I think we'd all agree that IF OU or UT left the Big 12 (not saying they WILL), the conference would struggle to exist in its current form. I don't think there's one or two teams in the SEC that, if they left, would cause the whole conference to fall apart.

Moreover, why WOULD they leave? The SEC HAS no buyout for leaving. Nobody wants to. Why move to one "power" conference of nothing but top teams, and run the risk of losing your job every week with a loss? If that were to happen, we (fans of non-elite teams) would all be screwed. Nothing you can do about that.

The state of Missouri borders 3 major conferences: one that we're in (B12), one that doesn't want us (B1G), and one that seems to (SEC). (I'm not counting the Big East) Better to make a move while you still have options, than wait and hope for the best.

 

[Die4Cy]

KU is trying to get better as a football team. They have a murderer's row of a round robin schedule that requires them to play roughly 8 out of nine games against top 25 caliber teams in the conference. THey don't want another BCS conference opponent on their non-conference schedule. They don't need one.

Getting MU off their schedule helps them, rivalry or not. They have said they wouldn't consider continuing the series if MU leaves for the SEC. I believe that.

 

[weR138]

Sooooo, what's the definition of imminent these days?

No kidding.

I respect your opinion regarding the rivalries, but I have to disagree. The whole "divorce your spouse" argument may carry the day, but it's completely irrational. As you've surely noticed, KU has a hard team getting people to watch its football product lately. There is NO non-conf. team that could generate the revenue and interest of playing Missouri. They could really use that right now.

Look at it this way...if NU offered a home-and-home non. conf. series to ISU, would YOU want to turn it down because they "jilted" you? Hell no...because it's a great game with a former rival that will draw a LOT of Huskers (and Cyclones) to JTS.

I think we'd all agree that IF OU or UT left the Big 12 (not saying they WILL), the conference would struggle to exist in its current form. I don't think there's one or two teams in the SEC that, if they left, would cause the whole conference to fall apart.

Moreover, why WOULD they leave? The SEC HAS no buyout for leaving. Nobody wants to. Why move to one "power" conference of nothing but top teams, and run the risk of losing your job every week with a loss? If that were to happen, we (fans of non-elite teams) would all be screwed. Nothing you can do about that.

The state of Missouri borders 3 major conferences: one that we're in (B12), one that doesn't want us (B1G), and one that seems to (SEC). (I'm not counting the Big East) Better to make a move while you still have options, than wait and hope for the best.

Hey, wall of text Missouri guy, do you have a time hack on when your stupid school is going to make a decision so that we can get on with our lives?

Not looking for empathy, sympathy, your perspective, a lecture, an explanation, a geography lesson, a sociology lesson, a history lesson or an editorial. An estimated time will do.

 

[Cydwinder]

I respect your opinion regarding the rivalries, but I have to disagree. The whole "divorce your spouse" argument may carry the day, but it's completely irrational. As you've surely noticed, KU has a hard team getting people to watch its football product lately. There is NO non-conf. team that could generate the revenue and interest of playing Missouri. They could really use that right now.

Look at it this way...if NU offered a home-and-home non. conf. series to ISU, would YOU want to turn it down because they "jilted" you? Hell no...because it's a great game with a former rival that will draw a LOT of Huskers (and Cyclones) to JTS.

I think we'd all agree that IF OU or UT left the Big 12 (not saying they WILL), the conference would struggle to exist in its current form. I don't think there's one or two teams in the SEC that, if they left, would cause the whole conference to fall apart.

Moreover, why WOULD they leave? The SEC HAS no buyout for leaving. Nobody wants to. Why move to one "power" conference of nothing but top teams, and run the risk of losing your job every week with a loss? If that were to happen, we (fans of non-elite teams) would all be screwed. Nothing you can do about that.

The state of Missouri borders 3 major conferences: one that we're in (B12), one that doesn't want us (B1G), and one that seems to (SEC). (I'm not counting the Big East) Better to make a move while you still have options, than wait and hope for the best.

The tourism created by the B 12 tournament in KC far outweighs the 4 days of a filled Sprint Center. All of those traveling need places to stay, food to eat, and entertainment and without these, KC takes a revenue hit.
I have a feeling that ISU would not take a home-home with Nebraska. ISU has 10 guaranteed BCS teams on it's schedule each year so adding another strong 11th is a bad idea. ISU can sell out JTS by playing UNI every year if they want a full stadium.
The SEC not having any buyouts doesn't enter into this argument unless Mizzou plans on leaving the SEC in the near future (which it very well plan on doing if the B1G ever comes calling).

 

[Madclone1]

I respect your opinion regarding the rivalries, but I have to disagree. The whole "divorce your spouse" argument may carry the day, but it's completely irrational. As you've surely noticed, KU has a hard team getting people to watch its football product lately. There is NO non-conf. team that could generate the revenue and interest of playing Missouri. They could really use that right now.

Look at it this way...if NU offered a home-and-home non. conf. series to ISU, would YOU want to turn it down because they "jilted" you? Hell no...because it's a great game with a former rival that will draw a LOT of Huskers (and Cyclones) to JTS.

I think we'd all agree that IF OU or UT left the Big 12 (not saying they WILL), the conference would struggle to exist in its current form. I don't think there's one or two teams in the SEC that, if they left, would cause the whole conference to fall apart.

Moreover, why WOULD they leave? The SEC HAS no buyout for leaving. Nobody wants to. Why move to one "power" conference of nothing but top teams, and run the risk of losing your job every week with a loss? If that were to happen, we (fans of non-elite teams) would all be screwed. Nothing you can do about that.

The state of Missouri borders 3 major conferences: one that we're in (B12), one that doesn't want us (B1G), and one that seems to (SEC). (I'm not counting the Big East) Better to make a move while you still have options, than wait and hope for the best.

Let's stop right there . . . you are obviously on a different wavelength than me. I hope to NEVER play those quitters again. Tom Osborne is a despicable, duplicitous, coward who took the back door out of the Big XII. I guess that losing record against the southern schools was more than he could stomach. They can rot in that joke of a conference called the Big 10-12.

 

[Mizzoulander]

No kidding.



Hey, wall of text Missouri guy, do you have a time hack on when your stupid school is going to make a decision so that we can get on with our lives?

Not looking for empathy, sympathy, your perspective, a lecture, an explanation, a geography lesson, a sociology lesson, a history lesson or an editorial. An estimated time will do.

Barring a SEC change of heart, we're gone. Decision is made, and the B12 knows it. I think Mizzou will withdraw by Friday, and be in the SEC by next week or so. New B12 members will be announced over the next couple weeks.

My advise would be, DEFINITELY, get on with your life. :smile:

 

[ISUAgronomist]

My advise would be, DEFINITELY, get on with your life. :smile:

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[Freebird]

Barring a SEC change of heart, we're gone. Decision is made, and the B12 knows it. I think Mizzou will withdraw by Friday, and be in the SEC by next week or so. New B12 members will be announced over the next couple weeks.

My advise would be, DEFINITELY, get on with your life. :smile:

Feel free to take your own advice. There are plenty of SEC boards out there. Move on.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Missouri for the past 2 years:

 

[mt85]

I respect your opinion regarding the rivalries, but I have to disagree. The whole "divorce your spouse" argument may carry the day, but it's completely irrational. As you've surely noticed, KU has a hard team getting people to watch its football product lately. There is NO non-conf. team that could generate the revenue and interest of playing Missouri. They could really use that right now.

Look at it this way...if NU offered a home-and-home non. conf. series to ISU, would YOU want to turn it down because they "jilted" you? Hell no...because it's a great game with a former rival that will draw a LOT of Huskers (and Cyclones) to JTS.

Your arguments are not without reason, but I'm pretty sure it won't persuade KU. Look at it from this perspective, KU has argued many valid reasons why MU should stay in the Big XII is that going to change your mind about leaving the conference? If not then why should your arguments influence KU?

As to us playing Nebraska, not a chance. Our schedule is already tough enough to be adding another BCS team to it.

I think we'd all agree that IF OU or UT left the Big 12 (not saying they WILL), the conference would struggle to exist in its current form. I don't think there's one or two teams in the SEC that, if they left, would cause the whole conference to fall apart.

Moreover, why WOULD they leave? The SEC HAS no buyout for leaving. Nobody wants to. Why move to one "power" conference of nothing but top teams, and run the risk of losing your job every week with a loss? If that were to happen, we (fans of non-elite teams) would all be screwed. Nothing you can do about that.

There is a bit of irony in your argument for why no one would leave, but I'll leave it at that.

It is all about the money baby. I'm not talking about two teams breaking away. I'm talking about 8-10 teams. I think one of the fallacys of these bigger conferences is that quantity will increase revenue per school. There are only so many marquee match ups in a given week, and the more you dilute a league the less attractive many games become. Plus there are only so many slots available in a given week. I think schools will realize this over time. I actually think the Big XII model at 10 teams will end up being the wave of the future after people realize that these mega conferences have a big downside.

The state of Missouri borders 3 major conferences: one that we're in (B12), one that doesn't want us (B1G), and one that seems to (SEC). (I'm not counting the Big East) Better to make a move while you still have options, than wait and hope for the best.

Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence. Time will tell.

 

[CyBobby]

Move on Mizzoulander Move ON.....



MOVE ON BIG BOY MOVE ON..................

I SAID MOVE ON YOU HILLBILLY HICK.............MOVE ON DOWN SOUTH..:twitcy:

 

[Palmer]

Barring a SEC change of heart, we're gone. Decision is made, and the B12 knows it. I think Mizzou will withdraw by Friday, and be in the SEC by next week or so. New B12 members will be announced over the next couple weeks.

My advise would be, DEFINITELY, get on with your life. :smile:

Good.

Now can you proceed and go away as well.....Thank you.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

I hope MU leaves, gets spurned by the SEC, and ends up in the newly weakened Big East. That would make my year.

 

[MaccloNe]

Is Mizzoulander gone for good yet? Please say it is so!