Huge physical disparity

[rebecacy]

I couldn't get over the huge physical disparity between our lines and Iowa's -- they were just killing us at the point of attack -- what happened since last year.....are our lines worse or have EIU's just improved that much. It looked like men vs boys!!!

 

[Palmer]

large fonts screeaaaammmiinnnnggg!!!!

 

[dualthreat]

its because they are dominant in the weight room. They have a great S&C coach in Chris doyle. I've brought this issue up several times in the past few years, and everyone blows it off.

Apparently our coaches do too.

But, i guess its only year 1.75, so there is time yet.

 

[BigDISU1]

its because they are dominant in the weight room. They have a great S&C coach in Chris doyle. I've brought this issue up several times in the past few years, and everyone blows it off.

Apparently our coaches do too.

But, i guess its only year 2.5, so there is time yet.

Whats the issue you are suggesting? Our S&C program isn't coached right? I honestly dont know so I am asking

 

[JustRedman]

Our D line did little more than occupy a blocker. Absolutely sickening seeing Stanzi take a nap in the pocket before hitting open recievers. It's hard to cover anybody for 5 seconds and that has a ton to do with our D line being incredibly outmanned.

 

[CycloneErik]

How many threads do we need to meta-whine over each facet of the game on Saturday?It's over. Move on.

 

[dualthreat]

Yea, our guys are weak and slow. A good S&C coach can improve both of those. But a not so great one will tell you that "speed can't be coached" or we gotta recruit better athletes.

Thats true to some extent, can't turn every jake williams into calvin johnson. But a good S&C coach can turn 6'4 220 pound HS linemen into giant NFL linemen like Doyle has done dozens of times. He is great.

 

[CycloneErik]

But Iowa's lines were pathetic in year one and two of Ferentz. We haven't been pathetic, unless we're matched up with Iowa. This might be too premature to really cry about yet.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Whats the issue you are suggesting? Our S&C program isn't coached right? I honestly dont know so I am asking

I think the bigger issue is we've had 3 different S&C coaches in the last 5 years, each with different philosophies in how to "get it done" in the weight room. Iowa, on the other hand, if they haven't had only one S&C coach, then at least the S&C mentality hasn't changed over the last decade. Until we stick with one mentality for several years on end we're going to have problems developing players.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Chris Doyle is one of the best S&C coaches in the country.

And the problem isn't just strength, speed, and quickness, they were also lacking aggressiveness and tenacity.

 

[Palmer]

I think the bigger issue is we've had 3 different S&C coaches in the last 5 years, each with different philosophies in how to "get it done" in the weight room. Iowa, on the other hand, if they haven't had only one S&C coach, then at least the S&C mentality hasn't changed over the last decade. Until we stick with one mentality for several years on end we're going to have problems developing players.

10+ with the same program vs 1.5 in thr CPR.

Think a little please rebecca.

 

[drmwevr08]

10+ with the same program vs 1.5 in thr CPR.

Think a little please rebecca.

I think Iowa SC guy is good friends with Victor Conte too. :twitcy:

Puberty will hit and we will be fine!

 

[Win5002]

The OP is more than just complaining about what went on in Saturday's game. That is something ISU needs to improve in to be good long term not just against Iowa but against the Big 12 in the future.

What is startling about the strength difference is this. Iowa's DL of course is maybe the best in the country and has veterans, but so does the ISU offensive line, and the ISU OL is supposed to be a good line this year.

But what is truly astounding is the way the Iowa OL with their youth and inexperience was so much stronger than the ISU DL. That was what was scary about the difference between the two programs strength and conditioning.

 

[Palmer]

The OP is more than just complaining about what went on in Saturday's game. That is something ISU needs to improve in to be good long term not just against Iowa but against the Big 12 in the future.

What is startling about the strength difference is this. Iowa's DL of course is maybe the best in the country and has veterans, but so does the ISU offensive line, and the ISU OL is supposed to be a good line this year.

But what is truly astounding is the way the Iowa OL with their youth and inexperience was so much stronger than the ISU DL. That was what was scary about the difference between the two programs strength and conditioning.

Again....

Iowa players in a S/C going on ten years of experience/program development.

ISU players a freaking little over a year in CPR program.

Call up DMac/Cheeze wiz for the failures of not establishing a long term S/C program.

 

[mustangcy]

But Iowa's lines were pathetic in year one and two of Ferentz. We haven't been pathetic, unless we're matched up with Iowa. This might be too premature to really cry about yet.

This...and again, this.

If you lined up KF's second year team with this year's Cyclone team. Boy, it would be ugly. CPR is way ahead of where KF was in year 2. There can all kinds of reasons for that but the point remains...ISU fans have got to wake up and realize that today KF is light years ahead of CPR and ISU in program development. We all want wins right away and what happened Saturday should frustrate everyone...but perspective is just not a quality that is going around in mass quantities this week.

This staff is right on target...they are 8 and freaking 7 still!? Who wouldn't have paid good money for that the day Paul was hired? I would have never believed it had you told me that day.

Relax, we are on target. And if KF keeps it rolling like he is we may never catch him. But we've got a great chance of catching Mizzou and KSU and KU and making some waves in the Big 12 in the years to come.

 

[cyfyi]

We may be 8-7 but we also have to admit last year's schedule was a cake walk and how many times are we going to be +8 turnovers against Neby. Minn was absolutely horrible towards the end of last year.

We have to recruit better and this game will not help that.

 

[CyBobby]

We may be 8-7 but we also have to admit last year's schedule was a cake walk and how many times are we going to be +8 turnovers against Neby. Minn was absolutely horrible towards the end of last year.

We have to recruit better and this game will not help that.

If the front seven on defense doesNOT get better it will be another beat down this week by K-State......

Same goes for the offensive line as well......NO BLOCK NO SCORE.

 

[bos]

I think the bigger issue is we've had 3 different S&C coaches in the last 5 years, each with different philosophies in how to "get it done" in the weight room. Iowa, on the other hand, if they haven't had only one S&C coach, then at least the S&C mentality hasn't changed over the last decade. Until we stick with one mentality for several years on end we're going to have problems developing players.

Its going to take awhile for some folks to recognize this. Iowa didnt get successful by swapping out its staff and philosophies every couple of years.

 

[CyCloned]

I think we are heading in the right direction with the SC coach, it will just take time. The DL is just plain undersized, and some of those guys are just not tall enough to carry 280 pounds and be effective. It is a matter of the guys you have, and how fast they can make gains. All of those DL at Iowa have been in the weight program for 4 or 5 years. I don't know much about SC coaching, but I had heard some not so great things about GC's strength coach.

Unfortunately all this takes time. The loss of Scott H. on the OL was a huge blow to this team. The guy was a beast, and ISU does not have anyone like him. KO is pretty good, but SH had the mean streak that good OL need.

 

[dualthreat]

My question is: Why the hell was rhoads talking up our D-line before the season? And Arnaud? He kept saying, "These guys are ready"

Ready for what? A decent game against northern illinois? Man, we showed them!

Its still early, but I have seen nothing that proves to me what dramatic change he's seen in practice from these guys year 1 to year 2