The one I keep hearing is that Iowa State is now in the Girl Scout Division. Hok fans are soo nice. I keep thinking they should realize that this has implications not only on athletics but on a whole bunch of other things.
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The one I keep hearing is that Iowa State is now in the Girl Scout Division. Hok fans are soo nice. I keep thinking they should realize that this has implications not only on athletics but on a whole bunch of other things.
It's bad enough that we have to go through this, but to listen to every **** head hawk fan put their two cents in about what low-level conference we are going to join and how great they are, blah, blah, is getting ridiculous. I have posted things I wouldn't have normally, but I, along with my fellow Cyclone fans have a vested interest in what will happen, so Tarheel, cohawk, and the rest, goodbye, it's time for a mass ignore from dolts who are pouring gas on this fire.
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Actually, Nebraska brings their state, the Dakotas, Wyoming, and at least Eastern Colorado and Northern Kansas.
All in all about 10 million TVs in their region.
Plus Nebraska IS still a program with a national following, like UT, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oklahoma, Florida, USC, and of course Notre Dame. They are in that group, and that will ensure that their game with Indiana will be watched around the country.
You are right about this. I was mistaken. The thing you need to look at is the demographics of the population. Iowa is behind national averages in persons under 18. But far ahead of national averages in people over 65.
Iowa is ahead of the national average in high school graduates, but significantly behind in college graduates. These people seem to be leaving at a pretty steady rate.
And of course we are way way behind when it comes to discussing persons of foreign origins.
This is exactly why some Iowa fans have the attitude that they do.
As soon as the Big 12 desolving became a real possibility, a lot of ISU fans (not all) started lashing out at Iowa. These are the same ISU fans who talk s*** about Iowa relentlessly, and are constantly hoping for Iowa's demise. When this dude says "wins in the expanded big 11 just got WAAAAY tougher", what he is really saying is "I hope Iowa sucks a** from now on"
I really don't care that some ISU fans route against Iowa, it doesn't bother me in the least. And I really don't understand why some of you give two s**** what Iowa fans think about this situation. But don't act like the attitude you are getting from Iowa fans is unwarranted.
When you have a**holes with an inferiority complex like this hating constantly, why would you then expect courtesy now? If the situation was reversed, I firmly believe there would be a much larger % of ISU fans enjoying it.
FWIW, I'm just pointing out an observation. I really do hope ISU lands on their feet. But even those that wish good things for ISU going forward, are still going to make smart *** comments because of d-bags like this.
I think that NU fans have a very overly inflated since of whom they are. Over the past 10 years Iowa has been getting better and better where as NU has been trying to just get back a little of what they were. This is reality, NU is not the power they once were and they’re not going to be that again. Now add in the fact that they have a smaller pool of recruits to drawl on then even Iowa. It took NU coaching staff a while to realize this but they have finally caught on. They are now starting to do what Iowa has been doing for the past 10 years and that is. Take the kids that no one has been looking at, recognize raw talent and then develop it. NU hasn’t done anything in a long time, and the longer they go without even going to a BCS bowl game only weakens them even more. Kids that are high school students today don’t remember seeing NU winning NC’s so to them NU is a good school but not one you go to if you want a chance at going to an NC. Now add to that Iowa and Wes. Having good coaches that aren’t going anywhere for a long time and you have a situation that I would say NU will struggle to even be able to keep pace with Iowa and Wes because of the population disadvantage I have already described.
So for now NU has a large fallowing based on how they did in the past, but as NU’s fan base ages and younger fans start to follow OSU, Texas, Florida, their fan base will begin to shrink. And that’s just the plain facts. Personally ISU would have made a better fit into the Big 10 then NU. They have better academics in a much larger state and they are already a land grant university. ISU makes more since but unfortunately in this day and age perception is everything. NU fans hate the Big 10 but they needed to do something to raise their profile in the nation to even have a shot at staying relevant, and staying in the Big 12 well let’s just say NU seen the writing on the wall, but the thing that I find funny is how they think that this improves they’re chances at a BCS when in fact it will be tougher now then it was to get to a BCS which means in the long run will decrees they’re national fallowing
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This is so factually inaccurate I don't even know where to begin. Just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean it is in any way actually true. Calling Iowa a "miniscule member of the Big 10" actually made me laugh out loud. In terms of student population, yes. With Nebraska now in the Big 10 Iowa is the 3rd smallest member in terms of student population. That is where your comment stops being in any way truthful or sensible.
Iowa consistently had an NCAA tourney caliber program until the Alford hire. This was karma for getting rid of Davis, which they never should have. The Hawks were consistently an upper tier Big 10 football program throughout the Fry days until the last few seasons. Ferentz has put Iowa back on the map, and they are a recognizable name nationally. Combine that with the dominant wrestling program, and an excellent academic reputation and it just makes your claim that much more ridiculous.
The reality of the television issue is that the Hawkeyes draw a large majority of Iowa's television sets. Fact. The Hawkeyes also have no competition from professional teams unlike every other team in the Big 10 (with the exception of Nebraska now). As they continue to cement their place among the upper tier football programs it will make them more and more of a national draw.
At the end of the day I want what is best for all of the schools in my state. I do not want to see any school suffer as it hurts us as Iowans. It is frustrating coming on these boards (CF, ESPN, CBS, etc.) and seeing fans such as yourself (and oh boy are they on both sides, don't think I'm saying this is strictly a Cyclone thing) who have such an absolute hate of the other school that it blinds them to any sense of actual reality.
I for one don't understand the hate. How is it good for either side to have the other side fail?? It is mind boggling to me that any Cyclone or Hawkeye fans would want the other school to suffer. I just can't grasp that. Sure you have your team and you root for them, but why would I ever want to root for Texas or Missouri or Kansas over Iowa State when I live in Iowa even if I lean Hawkeye?? I don't see how that possibly helps anything. All it does is stir up emotions and pour gas on the fire.
At the end of the day fans of each school should want the absolute best for the other as it very negatively effects the other if one is suffering. I am an adult and I'm not going to come on here and put down a school simply because my first allegiance lies elsewhere. I don't understand why Cyclone fans on here are lashing out at Hawkeye fans before they've even done anything. It is simply going to turn them against you. And for the few Hawkeye fans who actually are genuinely happy to see the state that ISU is currently in perhaps you should think about the whole picture, instead of just what feeds your cruel nature.
I hope that ISU finds itself in the best possible position when this is all said and done, whatever that might be. The majority of Hawkeye fans don't hate Cyclone fans or the school, and they don't enjoy seeing what is currently happening with ISU. ISU has done absolutely nothing to deserve this, and it's the greed of a few (Texas, Nebraska) that is driving this. I wish Cyclone fans would reach out to Hawkeye fans, instead of turning them away with venom before they have a chance to show support. And I wish Hawkeye fans would offer whatever support they can in this to our Cyclone neighbors. We all have friends and family who support the other side so it's not like any of us can't imagine what it would be like to be on the other side of the fence.
Ugh, the whole damn thing just disgusts me. This situation is stupid and shouldn't have happened in the first place. And the genuine hate that some people seem to have for each other on here disgusts me even more. I don't understand why we can't be adults and work together for the best outcome. I'm going to go take a bath.
I agree. It is very short sighted for Iowans to wish to either school the ill wind that is coming ISU's way. Why would you wish to see $5-10 mil in cash (that your institution won't be able to pick up) go away when it largely pays salaries of people that pay taxes and support businesses in Iowa?
The hate is easy to understand if you look at personal interactions, especially those that go beyond fandom. My personal experience with Hawkeye students and fans has not been pleasant (including an incident where invited guest chose to toilet in the dining room rather than the bathroom). I'm sure others have unpleasant stories to and more than a few (to their embarassment) have been the source of the same to good, decent Hawkeye folks.
You totally miss the point. The state does not have enough population. Not everyone in Iowa is even an Iowa fan. Compared to all the other states involved, U of I does not bring enough to the table.
By the way, the hate began on the other side - take a look at the thread. What you're hearing from me is complete disappointment in fellow Iowans that could care less about their neighbors (ISU) and, in fact, some take pleasure in the problem. At this point, I have come to the realization that ISU is an island. Do me a favor, instead of misreading posts and my intent, look at how you can build a better state.
Would you agree that 1.8 of the 3 million people in this state are Iowa fans?
Probably not, but what matters is how many subscribers there would be for a conference network.
Do you want to compare the State of Iowa to other Big Ten states for potential subscribers? Because this is what matters and this was my original point. Iowa does not compare to other Big Ten states, with the exception of recently added Nebraska. The state has split allegiance between schools - you can argue the percentage if you want. In the end, U of I cannot bring the number of TV sets that its conference mates can bring. Nebraska brings the entire state and has a significant national following.
That was my point. You can argue percentage of following, you can talk about athletic accomplishments, but my point is and was that Iowa's contribution in TV sets is not impressive. I am done wasting my time on this topic. It is really pretty simple.
This is another example of the hawk fan that I was talking about.
Do you even realize that everything you spent all of your time insulting Iowa State fans for, you just transposed to Nebraska.
Look, I get that you guys came on here to revel in Iowa State's misery, and you wasted no time jumping on the first negative hawk post.
And speaking of delusions of self granduer, at least Nebraska has a national following. They are considered a national program. Iowa, on the other hand, plays in a BCS game, that has no competition from other games that night, yet draws historically low ratings. A national program doesn't have that happen to them.
Thank you though for continuing to prove that hawk fans are just like Nebraska fans without the national championships.
Stay classy though.
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These two statements contradict each other. For the most part, everyone in this state has the BTN (or as Spursfan above calls it, the BNN. Feel the hilarity!) Nebraska may bring the entire state, but their entire state population is less than the amount of Iowa fans in Iowa. If the amount of tv sets that the state of Iowa contributes to the Big 10 is not impressive, why in the world would the Big 10 go after a school in a state that has a significantly smaller population?
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If you had simply left your other posts at that I would completely agree. But you spent a good portion of your other posts bashing Hawkeye fans and the University of Iowa. If you had simply stuck with the simple television set argument no one could argue. But you sank to the level that so many sink to and couldn't resist the bashing. It made it hard to focus on your logical television set argument.
Who says that they will go to east-west divisions in FB? I don't see them putting tOSU, Michigan and PSU in the same division. With all that money, they could easily put PSU into the "western" division. They have to fly everywhere anyway. And that would put two "power" programs in both divisions.
As for the OP, thanks for the support!
Nobody is/has been subsidizing you? What was that $1.6 million coming from Iowa taxpayers' pockets then? The University is a partial owner of the Big Ten Network, therefore it's only logical that they should get a cut of the profits. ISU fans DO have a choice in the matter. While going without cable would suck, they CAN choose to go without it if they take such offense to "subsidizing" the U of I. Iowa fans can't just stop paying their taxes.
Now that I have that part out of the way (I don't want to rub things in, but Pollard's subsidy malarkey really gets under my skin), I don't take glee in ISU's position, and neither do most Iowa fans that I know. The vast majority of those getting kicks make up the very vocal minority. CycloneNation has its contingent of counterparts, don't try denying it. Every school in the country has a small group of trolls when it comes to rivals. There's no need to lash out at them, because they aren't going anywhere, and they aren't worth getting worked up over.
Blaming Iowa is not going to get you anywhere. Blaming anyone isn't really all that productive, but especially when you're blaming the wrong people. If you want to look for who to blame, look no further than Austin, Texas. THEY are the ones who created the dissension in the Big 12 by hoarding the money and the power. If leaving for the Big Ten were suicide for Nebraska, the Husker may have pulled the trigger, but Texas gave them the gun.
Again, I take no fun from all this. I usually root for ISU when they aren't playing the Hawks. But Pollard's attitude, which seems to be echoed at least by a very vocal minority (I won't presume that it's a majority, but it does seem like it. And given your position, it's understandable that people who are normally level-headed might lose it a little), does not endear itself to people outside of Cyclone Nation. It comes across as petty, and typefies the "Little Brother" persona. Hell, more Iowa fans are making fun of Pollard's attitude rather than the overall situation, and I can't say I blame them for that.
LOL funny to hear you talking about classy. Are you kidding me? He didn't take a single shot at ISU in his entire post. His entire post was about Nebraska. Heck, he even said he wanted ISU instead of Nebraska in the Big 10. But of course you somehow ignore everything in the post, and turn it around so you can flame Iowa some more. It's pathetic. Grow up before you post again.
You're right, it's about the number of subscribers for the network. But, as Pollard cleverly pointed out, ISU fans are also subscribed to the BTN because it's part of the basic cable packages. So you don't have to support UI. The U of I delivers a large majority of the state population. They also have an outstanding reputation academically, and have a fairly strong history of athletic success. Now Iowa State has both of those as well (not so much in football, but in a lot of their other sports), but adding ISU doesn't bring in much financially. The BTN already owns the majority of TV sets in Iowa. It's money they were going to make anyway, and it would only add one more slice to the pie.
I am sorry, I never post on here but am fed up with Iowa fans continue ignorance of the tax subsidies they receive. All college atheletic departments are supported by tax payers in some regards including both Iowa and Iowa State. As a tax exempt organization Iowa (and ISU) do not pay taxes on donations they receive. Since these funds would typically be taxed and increase state revenue the state is essentialy giving money to both Iowa and ISU by not collecting these taxes. Otherwise known as a subsidy. A rather large one in fact.
Finally it you don't want to support Iowa State through your taxes you DO have a choice, you can always move out of Iowa.
