Letter from GG and JP

[thrillcat]

What any uninformed post.

Why is it uninformed? I think it's more informed than most of the posts on here. I'm actually taking a statement from our leadership and explaining what it says, while most people are making wild guesses about where we'll end up in two years.

Uninformed, I don't think so.

 

[pyrocyz]

People need to realize that this is all about the students and student athletes

 

[tube1]

Let's not forget to give credit to the three sell-outs in the North Division...

Why do you consider MO, NE, and CO to be sellouts? They are sick of the Big Texas Conference? They see better opportunities in the Big Televen and Pac 10 and are moving forward.

 

[Tornado man]

The problem with the MWC is not a competition issue, it is a money issue. Even being at the bottom of the Big 12 barrell, we still make far more money now than any of the schools in the MWC (except TCU). The collapse of the Big 12 will cripple us financially.

Yes, for all of the posters saying the "MWC won't be so bad," think again. We can put all talk of facility upgrades/expansion in the storage shed, and kiss good-bye to upgraded budgets.
We will have no wrestling program either.

 

[Incyte]

Why is it uninformed? I think it's more informed than most of the posts on here. I'm actually taking a statement from our leadership and explaining what it says, while most people are making wild guesses about where we'll end up in two years.

Uninformed, I don't think so.

You've clearly demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the situation at hand.

 

[jaretac]

Why doesn't JP ally with Kansas and Kansas St and start working on trying to establish new conference with the former Big 8 schools. I think the article from orangeblood said all that needs to be said about why this is happening:

"it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues.

Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network."

If the former Big 8 schools had the option to get away from Texas and re-start the Big 8 with maybe some other additions like Arkansas or Colorado St, I think they will take it over completely leaving over 100 years of history and rivalries.

 

[Cyhart]

The problem with the MWC is not a competition issue, it is a money issue. Even being at the bottom of the Big 12 barrell, we still make far more money now than any of the schools in the MWC (except TCU). The collapse of the Big 12 will cripple us financially.

Good point. I guess at least we will be on a more level playing field.
I mean, Texas' budget vs our budget is completely laughable and totally unfair. I'm tired of it.

 

[Rogue52]

Why doesn't JP ally with Kansas and Kansas St and start working on trying to establish new conference with the former Big 8 schools. I think the article from orangeblood said all that needs to be said about why this is happening:

"it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues.

Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network."

If the former Big 8 schools had the option to get away from Texas and re-start the Big 8 with maybe some other additions like Arkansas or Colorado St, I think they will take it over completely leaving over 100 years of history and rivalries.

The original Big 8 is not a BCS football conference in today's climate = no money = not going to happen.

 

[justcynn]

I don't even see the point in putting that letter out. I guess it says "Wait and see, we don't know **** either."

The only case I can make for a letter like this is that something big may happen this weekend and NOT include ISU like the PAC 10 Expansion. If that happens, JP and PG can go back to the letter they put out and say they did everything they could and now its just time to focus on finding a home for our future.

Personally - ISU doesn't have that much to lose here in my opinion other than some revenue which is currently required to try to be competitive with teams that have twice our budget - yes its nice to be part of a BCS conference that wins Championships - but aligning with schools we have a shot to be competitive with year in and year out is not all bad either and should be cheaper rather than trying to keep with the Texas's of the world. I don't think it would be the MAC, but rather the leftover BCS schools that no one else wanted. That might even include Nebraska - if the PAC 16 doesn't want Nebraska - I see no reason to believe the Big 10 will either. Kansas probably has the most to sell with their basketball tradition and according to the latest round of rumors - they appear to be in the dark as well...

Will be glad when this is all over - we'll still play football, maybe we will even win some more games when it is all said and done.

 

[thrillcat]

You've clearly demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the situation at hand.

I don't know, man, I see a bunch of people bundling up a bunch of hearsay and rumors and jumping to conclusions (I knew I should have made that Jump to Conclusions Mat), and I simply interpreted the four paragraphs emailed directly to us from our leadership.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Let's not forget to give credit to the three sell-outs in the North Division...

Especially Colorado. My God.... what conference in their right mind would be willing to open the doors for Colorado? That university is a haven for screwballs including their faculty and administration. Their athletic programs are a disaster as well. The Pac 10 must see something that nobody else sees with the only exception being that they see Colorado as being their conference whipping boy.

 

[shawn_200m]

Especially Colorado. My God.... what conference in their right mind would be willing to open the doors for Colorado? That university is a haven for screwballs including their faculty and administration. Their athletic programs are a disaster as well. The Pac 10 must see something that nobody else sees with the only exception being that they see Colorado as being their conference whipping boy.

What they see is the Denver TV market. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the quality of the atheletic programs have anything to do with this.

 

[DaddyMac]

Especially Colorado. My God.... what conference in their right mind would be willing to open the doors for Colorado? That university is a haven for screwballs including their faculty and administration. Their athletic programs are a disaster as well. The Pac 10 must see something that nobody else sees with the only exception being that they see Colorado as being their conference whipping boy.

Colorado = Denver = 16th TV market in US.

Or so the theory goes.

BTW - it's also the third largest in the conference, depending on whether or not you want to include Houston in the Big XII footprint. I suppose with 4 Texas schools you may as well.

 

[Cyhart]

The only case I can make for a letter like this is that something big may happen this weekend and NOT include ISU like the PAC 10 Expansion. If that happens, JP and PG can go back to the letter they put out and say they did everything they could and now its just time to focus on finding a home for our future.

Personally - ISU doesn't have that much to lose here in my opinion other than some revenue which is currently required to try to be competitive with teams that have twice our budget - yes its nice to be part of a BCS conference that wins Championships - but aligning with schools we have a shot to be competitive with year in and year out is not all bad either and should be cheaper rather than trying to keep with the Texas's of the world. I don't think it would be the MAC, but rather the leftover BCS schools that no one else wanted. That might even include Nebraska - if the PAC 16 doesn't want Nebraska - I see no reason to believe the Big 10 will either. Kansas probably has the most to sell with their basketball tradition and according to the latest round of rumors - they appear to be in the dark as well...

Will be glad when this is all over - we'll still play football, maybe we will even win some more games when it is all said and done.

This!!
Yes we would make less revenue, but how does that revenue we have now help us when most of the Big 12 teams dwarf us from a financial aspect?

 

[jbhtexas]

Why do you consider MO, NE, and CO to be sellouts? They are sick of the Big Texas Conference? They see better opportunities in the Big Televen and Pac 10 and are moving forward.

Read this article. If the south teams are sell-outs, then so are MU, NU, and CU.

NE StatePaper.com - Pettiness, Paranoia and Pollyannas

Also, NU is rumored to have voted against completely equal revenue sharing when the conference was formed, and now they want to bolt when it didn't work out quite like they expected, and a better deal might be coming along.

 

[Incyte]

I don't know, man, I see a bunch of people bundling up a bunch of hearsay and rumors and jumping to conclusions (I knew I should have made that Jump to Conclusions Mat), and I simply interpreted the four paragraphs emailed directly to us from our leadership.

There is nothing to be at this point other than be in constant communication with the other B12 N schools and have contingency plans in place. Unless you're one of those "we should preemptively move to the MWC types."

 

[Cyclonestate78]

People need to realize that this is all about the students and student athletes

So true. All of this realignment talk is strictly in the interest of these universities helping to mold more outstanding members of society who not only do well on the playing field but will be the future leaders of our country as well. :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

 

[jaretac]

The original Big 8 is not a BCS football conference in today's climate = no money = not going to happen.

So lets go to the MWC or the MAC

Really, do you think that the new conference wouldn't quickly become a BCS qualifier school? Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, ISU. Come on, will the BCS really say no to all those schools?

 

[ShopTalk]

Scooby Doo says "Ru-roh!"

 

[cyatheart]

Well, if you read that letter, let me point out a few things:

• "However, we also recognize that the long-term viability of the Big 12 Conference is not in our control – it is in the hands of just a few of our fellow member institutions."

That doesn't sound like they're doing much beyond wait and see.



And this statement:

• We are doing everything in our power to represent the best interests of Iowa State in these discussions

tells me that they're doing everything in their power to back the following statements made today.

• We believe the Big 12 Conference is the perfect fit for Iowa State University.
• We are committed to our membership in the Big 12, and we are optimistic that the conference will remain intact.

If you ask me, they're talking about their plans on the internet already. Or, their lack of plans.

I have no idea what you want ISU to do, the Big 12 situation is totally out of their control. Whatever happens afterwards may or may not be. And neiter you nor I have any idea what ISU is doing for a contingency plan. I can't imagine GG and Pollard are just sitting on their *** if the B12 falls apart. And really, they can't say anything other than what they said, nor should then, so I can't see why they released it anyway.