Gentlemen, please. Remember, when you're discussing indicators that reveal poor leadership, morals and ethics with a current fan of U of I football, you are effectively attempting to describe the color "blue" to blind men. So, do what makes you happy, but this is an exercise in futility.
And TarHeel Hawk, you have that last quote wrong. I said "sons". As in both of his sons are thugs.
You're a neat guy.