Xavier Townsend decommits

Mr.G.Spot

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Why doesn't ISU have more donors? It's an Ag School. Where are all the multi-millionaire farmers with ties to ISU? Please don't respond with ANF-GO HAWKS!
What percentage of our enrollment is ag?

Probably less than 15%. Why is this an excuse? Ag has been on a roll for 15 years.

What about the other 85%?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on the percentage in the ag college
 

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With respect to Xavier Townsend if he does choose UCF it will likely not be due to NIL deals.

That being said ISU does have a lot of graduates that likely loved their ISU experience. But ask how many of them recalled athletics being at all a part of it? The ISU athletics department was allowed to rot for decades. There is not nostalgia and no single wealthy person willing to simply Phil Knight the issue. This is a consequence of letting your program desiccate and also being second fiddle in a low population state.
 

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So I do think that this will affect some schools but for schools in the Big Ten and SEC the new media deals will more then offset any donations going to the players. Unless a donor wants their name on something they are pretty much being instructed to work an NIL deal for players.

One thing ISU needs to do that Sparty does and Michigan is looking into (currently they are very anti NIL) is hire staff to do nothing but work on NIL deals. From acting as a middle man to discussing contracts. This can help "build the brand" of players and has been a major recruiting tool this year.
Most P5 schools are doing something like this:



Won’t link others, but again most have done this.

I believe this is ISU’s version:

 
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Most P5 schools are doing something like this:



Won’t link others, but again most have done this.

I believe this is ISU’s version:

Yep it isn't a new thing and goes a long way with recruiting. Having all players get 10K per year is a good starting point to be competitive but you can really appeal to athletes egos when you have a dept like that. I have said it before but we switched a couple 4 star commits from programs that don't have these things in place so it is starting to make a difference.
 

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Not exactly sure.
What percentage of our enrollment is ag?

Probably less than 15%. Why is this an excuse? Ag has been on a roll for 15 years.

What about the other 85%?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on the percentage in the ag college
What do you mean on a roll?
 

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I don't believe it is whether or not MC will be gone in one to two year period but rather recruits are questioning how good a coach MC is.

I know Matt Campbell's name has come up for many coaching openings. After the year we had I am not sure any of the colleges were not that interested in hiring him.

Ending up at 7- 5 showed the many coaching weaknesses that MC has. I believe his marketability has gone way down and his stock amongst college football coaches is falling.

I believe next year will be disaster even by Iowa State standards.
Yikes....
 

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Not exactly sure.
I don't believe it is whether or not MC will be gone in one to two year period but rather recruits are questioning how good a coach MC is.

I know Matt Campbell's name has come up for many coaching openings. After the year we had I am not sure any of the colleges were not that interested in hiring him.

Ending up at 7- 5 showed the many coaching weaknesses that MC has. I believe his marketability has gone way down and his stock amongst college football coaches is falling.

I believe next year will be disaster even by Iowa State standards.
I bet he is not one of most sought after coaches after this year! I am not an expert just a fan with an opinion. I don't believe Campbell has coached well this year. I guess we are not allowed to criticize our coach.
Gordo’s past lingers out there as not very sound. Sat quiet for 7 years before coming back and posting that CMC is basically garbage. Interesting.
 
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Gordo’s past lingers out there as not very sound. Sat quiet for 7 years before coming back and posting that CMC is basically garbage. Interesting.
Yeah CMC is probably the second person called for the OSU opening (fickell might be first) if the bears are stupid enough to hire day.
 
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I'll say this and then I'm bowing out.

There's no actual indication of NIL playing any role here. Kids changed commitments pre-NIL and will continue to with NIL. Now I'm not saying there isn't money involved sometimes. But that's no different than what the system was pre-NIL. But these are 18 year old kids that change their minds, just like they have for decades prior.

But the only reason people are claiming this kid was paid is because you want to support your narrative that NIL will be destructive to college football, and that theory is based on an idea that these kids don't deserve to be compensated for their services at a college level. And that I will always fundamentally disagree with.

Almost agree with you 100%, BUT, even though I also agree athletes deserve some compensation, I do believe this should have been rolled out with a set of well thought out rules to prevent simple bidding wars where their is extraordinary benefit to those with rich donor bases. Maybe I am bias because I know which side of the dense ISU resides.
 

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I guess I don't understand why this thread devolved into NIL hottakes

You guys think UCF is swimming in money?

Crazy theory here, but maybe he decided that if he was going to play in the Big 12 he'd rather do it in Florida than Iowa

I agree with your crazy theory and will expand upon it to say that the bigger near term risk is that our conference just added 3 schools that we are more likely to compete for athletes with in 3 of our top recruiting states (FL, OH, and TX) to replace 2 schools that we rarely competed for the same athletes. To me, that is the worst part of all the realignment. I get that we needed to add schools from a TV point of view, but I would have preferred those 3 schools stayed in slightly less attractive conferences from a straight recruiting standpoint.
 

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While I know this news sucks a silver lining is that you still have the best recruiting class in the new big 12. Regardless of if the playoff expansion goes to 8 or 12 autobids for the power 5 are practically guaranteed which is a very navigable path for ISU to make the playoffs even in the NIL era.
 

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Gridiron Club is part of the Foundation, which is considered part of the University, which means it can have nothing to do with NIL.

We would have to start a new organization, or charity.

There will be rules developed soon to calm down the chaos, and we can only assume that blanket payments to a whole team, or group of players, or any other pay to play programs will not be allowed. Then the question will be enforcement, which is going to have to come from whatever new P5 group that going to replace the NCAA.

Relax, we will have a good class, and over the next year as CMC develops the 2023 class, some leaders in the donor class may need to decide what we need to do to be competitive with the teams at our level for the players CMC likes, if anything.
Also, the Foundation is not part of the university. TMK, they have different tax Id numbers.
 

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Almost agree with you 100%, BUT, even though I also agree athletes deserve some compensation, I do believe this should have been rolled out with a set of well thought out rules to prevent simple bidding wars where their is extraordinary benefit to those with rich donor bases. Maybe I am bias because I know which side of the dense ISU resides.
29 states now have laws allowing college athletes to earn NIL income. These laws generally all contain language that prevents enforcing any kind of limit on how much can be earned. Some of the laws have "limited to commensurate market value" clauses.

The Cali law is linked below. It basically says no school can restrict NIL income, and no governing organization with authority over college athletics can restrict participation of an athlete earning NIL income, or a school that allows its athletes to earn NIL income. The other state laws are similar.

As such, any set of rules to govern NIL put forth by the NCAA that limited the amount of money earned would likely violate those state rules. The law basically ensures that "bidding wars" are going to happen.

In the present situation, the Supreme Court made a ruling, not directly about NIL, but hinting that NIL would/should be allowed. This triggered states to make NIL laws, and the NCAA to allow NIL, but the NCAA was rendered unable to regulate NIL because of laws in a majority of the states.

Had the NCAA gone first, and put forth a system for regulating NIL, I don't think it would have mattered, and we end up in the same place. The states would essentially pass the same laws they have now, to give the schools in their states an advantage. That is pretty much right in Sec 5 of the California law. Also, apparently, NIL is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, or safety...
This act is an urgency statute necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, or safety within the meaning of Article IV of the California Constitution and shall go into immediate effect. The facts constituting the necessity are:


In order to ensure that California postsecondary educational institutions and college athletes are not placed at a disadvantage to those in other states where name, image, and likeness laws will go into effect this year, and in order to ensure that California college athletes, including low-income student athletes and those with children and dependents, can adequately provide for themselves and their families, it is necessary that this act take effect immediately.
 
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Also, the Foundation is not part of the university. TMK, they have different tax Id numbers.

I didn't mean to hit a nerve with you on the Foundation.

All I know is that each year I send money to the Foundation for the NCC contribution, then I have to send a separate check to the Foundation for the Gridiron Club, just as I was instructed to do.

As for the Foundation being part of the University, you are technically correct it is a separate Foundation organization, established under the IRS laws and rules that serves only one entity, Iowa State University. Since its only function is helping Iowa State University it would be hard to argue it is not part of Iowa State. Using the Foundation, or any fund in the Foundation, as a conduit for passing NIL payments to players will never happen unless the NCAA, or another successor organization, specifically allows
the practice.
 

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Duh!
Maybe the average fan needs to start donating their fair share and quit putting everything on our top 1% of boosters.
Some want “big donors” to solve everything; it will take all of us donating to the degree we can. Too many fans are on the sidelines and many of them have strong opinions and lots of complaints.
 

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