Xavier Townsend decommits

[bawbie]

well this thread is fun

 

[Clark]

I guess I don't understand why this thread devolved into NIL hottakes

You guys think UCF is swimming in money?

Crazy theory here, but maybe he decided that if he was going to play in the Big 12 he'd rather do it in Florida than Iowa

 

[intrepid27]

Pat of me wonders if all these NIL payments will have negative impact on athletics departments budgets in the future. Take the group in TX that is starting a not for profit to facilitate paying athletes. Are those the same dollars that would normally get donated to the TX athletic department in some other way? I can't help but think in a lot of cases this will decrease donations to the schools. If true, the long term effect on schools like ISU may not be as bad as some think.

 

[isu81]

There are literally dozens of possibilities short of "BAGZ OF CA$H" for why this kid changed his mind. Maybe Malzhan showed more interest after the ratings bump. Maybe he had people in his life push UCF. Maybe he decided he wanted to stay close to home. Maybe it was the Campbell leaving rumors. As it turns out, an 18 year old changing his mind isn't exactly unheard of. But all of those things make more practical sense that an unsubstantiated claim that he was given money from a school that we are very much on the same financial plane as.

UCF plays in a 48,000 capacity stadium built in 2007. They average 15,000 less fans than us per game. And we are really convinced they have some booster network that we don't have that's throwing bags of cash at a 4* recruit?

And even if the kid does get paid under legal NIL circumstances (which I'm pretty sure he didn't), good for him. Get your money. If we can't figure out a way to compete with that, it's on us.

A lot of this makes sense, but you think it's a possibility Malzhan showed more interest after the ratings bump? Like coaches are just looking out at recruiting rankings to decide who they like?

 

[isu81]

Pat of me wonders if all these NIL payments will have negative impact on athletics departments budgets in the future. Take the group in TX that is starting a not for profit to facilitate paying athletes. Are those the same dollars that would normally get donated to the TX athletic department in some other way? I can't help but think in a lot of cases this will decrease donations to the schools. If true, the long term effect on schools like ISU may not be as bad as some think.

Was just about to post this very thought. I do think there will be tradeoffs. However, as far as good for teams/schools like ISU, our AD has leveraged itself based on B12 TV money that may or may not take a big hit as Texas and OU leave. So the result could be needing the donations to the AD to increase in order to stay afloat. Not unique to ISU- just the reality of playing catch-up in the arms race, only to get the revenue rug pulled out a bit.

 

[cyclone4L]

I can confirm that this decision was made to stay close to home.
He wanted to be a Cyclone, but family decided it was best to stay in Florida.

 

[Clark]

A lot of this makes sense, but you think it's a possibility Malzhan showed more interest after the ratings bump? Like coaches are just looking out at recruiting rankings to decide who they like?

There are so many players out there that it would be impossible for any staff to see them all so it is theoretically possible that someone else offering a player put them on their radar.

I do not believe any coach worth anything would take more interest because some ratings service increased their star rating.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

I will say this then I am bowing out

-decentralized, seek to maximize the chaos and competition and fairness of College Athletics
-current NCAA head is on board, has been talking decentralization for a few years
-each school can buy one Wild Country coin for 20 Million, which goes into a fund controlled by 50.1% of the coins
-50.1% of the coins can enact a motion
-each coin can be subdivided into unlimited fractions
-but only the University President can cast a vote for each coin
-in accordance with University presidents, all NIL done through Wild Country coin
-so advertisers buy the coin from the university, and then give to players in exchange for marketing
-players can receive Wild Country coin from the University
-University controls market making for Wild Country coin and makes money off the bid/ask spread
-any payment to players with anything other than Wild Country coin will result in expulsion by having the University Presidents on board
-scheduling based on a combination of results, tv ratings and in person attendance, algorithms written that 50.1% of the coins approve
-collective media etc. right sold off for all coins to for example Google, then each coin receives its share based on a combination of tv ratings, results, and in person attendance
-unlimited # of motions and algorithms to govern the Alliance can be enacted, voting can happen at any time, once a motion receives 50.1% of the coin vote, it is enacted
-the Alliance can take in unlimited amount of teams, from G5, P5 or FCS, as long as they can buy in
-system built to be able to handle many different tiers of teams
-50.1% of the coins can enact a Brand Ambassador, like Bill Snyder
-each coin is responsible for its fair share, based on pre agreed algorithms to contribute to a marketing budget

 

[iowastatefan1929]

and the lack of p5 recruits in iowa area is the main problem, cyclones4l hopefully calms everyone down but gives us a dose of reality, but the ultimate game changer will be the pole shift

 

[gordocyclone]

I wonder if he and others are worried about CMC not being here not more than a year or two. Love MC, but I wish he would pull a Tucker and just come out and claim ISU is his place he wants to be. VT and KSU are similar programs, one fo the things that made them sustainable is recruits knew they were where they wanted to be.

I don't believe it is whether or not MC will be gone in one to two year period but rather recruits are questioning how good a coach MC is.

I know Matt Campbell's name has come up for many coaching openings. After the year we had I am not sure any of the colleges were not that interested in hiring him.

Ending up at 7- 5 showed the many coaching weaknesses that MC has. I believe his marketability has gone way down and his stock amongst college football coaches is falling.

I believe next year will be disaster even by Iowa State standards.

 

[MJ271]

Pat of me wonders if all these NIL payments will have negative impact on athletics departments budgets in the future. Take the group in TX that is starting a not for profit to facilitate paying athletes. Are those the same dollars that would normally get donated to the TX athletic department in some other way? I can't help but think in a lot of cases this will decrease donations to the schools. If true, the long term effect on schools like ISU may not be as bad as some think.

This is my thought. There's been this huge facilities competition between schools in the last couple decades, pouring money into schools to convince recruits to come there. If NIL had existed, would those facilities battles have happened? My guess would be no, at least not to the same extent. The money would have just went directly to the athletes instead.

 

[isufbcurt]

I guess I don't understand why this thread devolved into NIL hottakes

You guys think UCF is swimming in money?

Crazy theory here, but maybe he decided that if he was going to play in the Big 12 he'd rather do it in Florida than Iowa

The school itself might not have money but it is also the largest public university by enrollment. So the donor base would kill what we have,

 

[DeereClone]

Pat of me wonders if all these NIL payments will have negative impact on athletics departments budgets in the future. Take the group in TX that is starting a not for profit to facilitate paying athletes. Are those the same dollars that would normally get donated to the TX athletic department in some other way? I can't help but think in a lot of cases this will decrease donations to the schools. If true, the long term effect on schools like ISU may not be as bad as some think.

This will happen but it will just cut back on the over-the-top player facilities some of these places have. The money for that stuff will go directly to the players.

 

[RotatingColumn]

I guess I don't understand why this thread devolved into NIL hottakes

You guys think UCF is swimming in money?

Crazy theory here, but maybe he decided that if he was going to play in the Big 12 he'd rather do it in Florida than Iowa

Possible.

So does anyone know how much 4 star players cost?

 

[CyJack13]

Remember when we were trying to win Big 12 titles and beat OU? And now your saying "don't worry we can be the best JV squad in the land". That is the exact problem with NIL,. It absolutely takes schools out of the running for national success. Schools like ours.

How did our recruiting stack up against OU when we played them for a B12 championship? We’re we out recruiting them then?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

This is my thought. There's been this huge facilities competition between schools in the last couple decades, pouring money into schools to convince recruits to come there. If NIL had existed, would those facilities battles have happened? My guess would be no, at least not to the same extent. The money would have just went directly to the athletes instead.

So I do think that this will affect some schools but for schools in the Big Ten and SEC the new media deals will more then offset any donations going to the players. Unless a donor wants their name on something they are pretty much being instructed to work an NIL deal for players.

One thing ISU needs to do that Sparty does and Michigan is looking into (currently they are very anti NIL) is hire staff to do nothing but work on NIL deals. From acting as a middle man to discussing contracts. This can help "build the brand" of players and has been a major recruiting tool this year.

 

[CyJack13]

It isn't about "trying to make the NIL rules work for us." There simply isn't a strategy JP can deploy that changes the fact that we have very low donations and AD revenue compared to most schools. Short of simply raising a **** ton more money, there's not really a strategy to make this work for ISU relative to peer athletic departments.

People that think this is going to be not much of a disadvantage or a marginal one are fooling themselves. It's already cleared for private NIL cash. That puts ISU at a disadvantage to other P5 schools, not just the bluebloods. The stage is being set for direct payments from schools one way or another. If nothing else, donors can be encouraged to provide NIL funds while ADs fund things with TV revenue that would've been at least in part supported by donor dollars. That also puts ISU at a further disadvantage off the bat to every Big 10 and SEC school, even the bad ones, barring a surprise boost in media dollars.

The bottom line is this is going to be a shift in disparity in competitiveness unlike anything we've seen. If anyone doubts it, look at how NDSU, SDSU have blown past UNI. A huge part of that is those schools offering total cost of attendance. And that is very small compared to what we are likely to see in an NIL world.

I don't like to mix the right/wrong of NIL argument with the impacts to ISU. I think they are two very different arguments. Unless something pretty drastic changes in terms of rules, laws, ISU media $ or ISU donor $, ISU football is going to devastated by this. My opinion is that eventually college football is devastated by this and the money starts shrinking eventually as more and more schools fall by the wayside. But we'll see.

Sure there is. NIL money doesn't have to just come from boosters or AD revenue. This is where you need to think outside the box. Does ISU have employ anyone who is helping kids increase their social media followers? Every program should have someone (probably multiple people) doing that now, look at who got the biggest NIL deals right out of the gate, it wasn't the best football or basketball players, it was gymnasts and some scrub basketball player from Michigan with a huge tik tok following. Get their followers up and help them get money from sources outside of the central Iowa area. Sure not all recruits will be into this but a lot will and if we aren't doing it, we're just falling more and more behind.

 

[SCNCY]

So I do think that this will affect some schools but for schools in the Big Ten and SEC the new media deals will more then offset any donations going to the players. Unless a donor wants their name on something they are pretty much being instructed to work an NIL deal for players.

One thing ISU needs to do that Sparty does and Michigan is looking into (currently they are very anti NIL) is hire staff to do nothing but work on NIL deals. From acting as a middle man to discussing contracts. This can help "build the brand" of players and has been a major recruiting tool this year.

I was actually thinking about this today. You are correct that schools will probably have to employ someone in the AD department to handle relationships with donors and who those donors should offer NIL money too.

But I was thinking, what if a school set up a talent agency that offered all of the athletes a contract, gave them money in addition to work that may be available to them in exchange for their NIL rights for 4-5 years? This would give athletes NIL money, plus more for those that actually have demand for their NIL. I think some kind of setup like that would be easier to handle than these multiple individuals trying to do what they want that may not be what the coaches want.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

I actually agree with NIL. I also think AD’s should absolutely pay taxes as well.

but it’s a reality, and I said it when Campbell was looking at usc. That’s unlimited NIL money there.

Iowa just had to guarantee an instate kid more money than anyone else was offering by a considerable amount, and that got his signature

People who root for Iowa State better realize this is the new world, and being cheap ass Iowa state fan no longer will allow you to be competitive

I can't say I am love with NIL, but I knew it was inevitable.

Ditto on stepping up financially- time for a lot of you to start writing checks.

But wait, Jamie and the department never call or advertise and I forget to give.

Wah,wah,wah.........step up or get prepared for being left behind.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Gridiron Club is part of the Foundation, which is considered part of the University, which means it can have nothing to do with NIL.

We would have to start a new organization, or charity.

There will be rules developed soon to calm down the chaos, and we can only assume that blanket payments to a whole team, or group of players, or any other pay to play programs will not be allowed. Then the question will be enforcement, which is going to have to come from whatever new P5 group that going to replace the NCAA.

Relax, we will have a good class, and over the next year as CMC develops the 2023 class, some leaders in the donor class may need to decide what we need to do to be competitive with the teams at our level for the players CMC likes, if anything.

What do you mean "part of" of the Foundation?

The CGG has its own board and tax Id number, tmk.

I think the Foundation has committed to accepting donations from them that are earmarked for the FB program.