Would you give up football NIL

[AuH2O]

Massive changes are likely in 2032 that should make basketball have higher valuations. At least for the top brands and conferences

It’s not coincidental the CFP TV deal was lined up to expire at the same time as the NCAA Tournament. And why TJ and Campbell’s contracts expire then

Look for the P2 to wrangle control of the CBB postseason like they did the CFP. It probably won’t change too much in format, but most of the $1-$2 billion/year will go to the conferences with the biggest TV draws.

Some speculate regular season rights of the conferences that control the tournament could be coupled to postseason rights like the NBA, thereby making more for the conferences

In the end, we’re going to have to turn straw into gold regardless. But at least with basketball the absolute value of investment is lower.


When the P2 and top basketball-only start to change hierarchy in basketball, some Big 12 and ACC schools will have to decide whether trying to be good in football is worth it.

Hopefully the non-revenue goes back to early last century in which they’re competing locally. Cost centers shouldn’t be flying across the country

And I think this is where the OPs premise gets interesting, and sure wasn't worth getting roasted.

There will probably be a time at some point where schools like ISU can either be bad to mediocre at both football and basketball or just follow a Big East model and go all in on hoops.

The whole football pays the bills argument doesn't really negate this comparison. When you take out what football demands from the media deals, AD budget and NIL to operate, much of the Big 12 and ACC are NOT in a better position than the Big East schools. There very easily could come a time in the next 5-10 years where the choice is a real one. Barring something unforeseen that reorganizes college sports and football for the better, this is probably going to be reality some time around when you point out - 2032 or shortly after.

 

[Kettes]

And I think this is where the OPs premise gets interesting, and sure wasn't worth getting roasted.

I totally agree. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors (actually mouse warriors; as they don't usually do much other than add the "Dumb" emoji to a ton of posts that are decent arguments). I'm curious why they do it, too. Do they just want their particular type of echo chamber, here? Can they not make a valid counter argument? Is discussion too hard for them?

I don't know. But, it's getting pretty close to where it is so toxic, here (way more than even Reddit), that these mouse warriors will eventually get their wish.

Flame away, mice.

 

[AirWalke]

I obviously care a lot more about basketball than football, but that doesn't mean the majority of the fanbase doesn't find football to be a better draw. With football, there's more avenues for fan engagement, tailgating being chief among them (and soon, CyTown). But the hillsides (provided they keep those around) also allow younger families to find ways to participate.

Basketball has one draw, and that's the game itself. I don't mind that personally, I don't like spending an entire day driving, parking, waiting for the game to start, waiting in traffic on the way out... it's much easier to get in and out to enjoy the activity that I actually paid admission towards.

 

[3TrueFans]

I totally agree. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors (actually mouse warriors; as they don't usually do much other than add the "Dumb" emoji to a ton of posts that are decent arguments). I'm curious why they do it, too. Do they just want their particular type of echo chamber, here? Can they not make a valid counter argument? Is discussion too hard for them?

I don't know. But, it's getting pretty close to where it is so toxic, here (way more than even Reddit), that these mouse warriors will eventually get their wish.

Flame away, mice.

I think people had plenty of discussion, killing football would be bad, end of discussion.

Now if you want to talk about percentage splits for NIL to different sports then that's probably a discussion worth having, or at least interesting.

 

[FinalFourCy]

And I think this is where the OPs premise gets interesting, and sure wasn't worth getting roasted.

There will probably be a time at some point where schools like ISU can either be bad to mediocre at both football and basketball or just follow a Big East model and go all in on hoops.

The whole football pays the bills argument doesn't really negate this comparison. When you take out what football demands from the media deals, AD budget and NIL to operate, much of the Big 12 and ACC are NOT in a better position than the Big East schools. There very easily could come a time in the next 5-10 years where the choice is a real one. Barring something unforeseen that reorganizes college sports and football for the better, this is probably going to be reality some time around when you point out - 2032 or shortly after.

Basketball has long been a bigger deal in realignment. Football hierarchy hasn’t changed, and CFP expansion is an offsetting factor

Basketball will change much more. There’s always been great access, and any P5 could put together a great run

it depends on just how rigged it becomes

As you mentioned, top basketball-only will climb as one or two donors can push them past those funding football

Places like Maryland, “locked in” to living off Ohio St football welfare checks can decide to give football a lean budget, pumping in top basketball compensation. With $100 million from the conference, they don’t need good football

Which also means more wins for top end of football. This will allow the P2 to dominate both

This is even more true if B12 and ACC try to get close to equal of CBB postseason, resulting in P2 adding KU, UNC, Duke etc.

At that point, we’re lucky if in the best of the rest for football.

 

[Kettes]

I think people had plenty of discussion, killing football would be bad, end of discussion.

My understanding (maybe it's just how I took it) was to take all football money and spend it (for a bit) on basketball. I also said, in today's market, no amount of money can guarantee a Final Four, let alone a Natty. But, I also said that everything, initially, needs to be on the table when it comes to a economic system in its' infancy.

 

[3TrueFans]

My understanding (maybe it's just how I took it) was to take all football money and spend it (for a bit) on basketball. I also said, in today's market, no amount of money can guarantee a Final Four, let alone a Natty. But, I also said that everything, initially, needs to be on the table when it comes to a economic system in its' infancy.

Right, that would kill the football program, the biggest revenue earner. How long do players and coaches stick around if Pollard tells them we're not spending NIL money on football for a few years? And if you did that, you're not going to put football on pause and pick up from where you left off. Lots of options are on the table, this option is not.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Right, that would kill the football program, the biggest revenue earner. How long do players and coaches stick around if Pollard tells them we're not spending NIL money on football for a few years? And if you did that, you're not going to put football on pause and pick up from where you left off. Lots of options are on the table, this option is not.

The premise is football, as you’re thinking of it, is dead. Not competing against long time peers, but in basically the G5, in a hodgepodge conference

And with the salary cap, taking from basketball, despite football being the most revenue generating

 

[deadeyededric]

I obviously care a lot more about basketball than football, but that doesn't mean the majority of the fanbase doesn't find football to be a better draw. With football, there's more avenues for fan engagement, tailgating being chief among them (and soon, CyTown). But the hillsides (provided they keep those around) also allow younger families to find ways to participate.

Basketball has one draw, and that's the game itself. I don't mind that personally, I don't like spending an entire day driving, parking, waiting for the game to start, waiting in traffic on the way out... it's much easier to get in and out to enjoy the activity that I actually paid admission towards.

We can compete for final fours and possibly National Championships in basketball. The same can't be said for football. We could make the football playoff and maybe upset one team. I'm a way bigger basketball fan myself.

 

[RezClone]

Not even an option. Football is 85%+ of the current revenue…if that would slip it would impact basketball also.

This would be like if you decided to stop paying your mortgage so you had a better shot at finally winning that d*mn grand prize on those rigged bent rim carnival games!

 

[dosry5]

This would be like if you decided to stop paying your mortgage so you had a better shot at finally winning that d*mn grand prize on those rigged bent rim carnival games!

Wait….they’re rigged?