Will the BIG10 Reverse Their Decision?

[Clonefan32]

They may have cherry picked some 'experts' but they are not going in line with the wide majority of medical opinion. Especially with regards to the presence of fans. Theyve also been repeating some outright garbage, such as the idea that somehow players are safer playing football than not, which is absurd, and really calls into question the advice theyre being given.

Hell, look at JP and his childishness after the county health board implored no fans, and he ran to twitter to post a picture of the stadium and "can't wait to have all the fans here". Lost a ton of respect for him with that move.

What a ridiculous statement when you have zero idea what info they have.

This is like any COVID discussion. "This science is the correct science because it is what I think."

It's a novel disease that's only been around a limited period of time. Reasonable medical minds can and will differ.

 

[Statefan10]

They may have cherry picked some 'experts' but they are not going in line with the wide majority of medical opinion. Especially with regards to the presence of fans. Theyve also been repeating some outright garbage, such as the idea that somehow players are safer playing football than not, which is absurd, and really calls into question the advice theyre being given.

Hell, look at JP and his childishness after the county health board implored no fans, and he ran to twitter to post a picture of the stadium and "can't wait to have all the fans here". Lost a ton of respect for him with that move.

Top ACC Medical Advisor Says Football Can Be Played Safely

Dr. Cameron Wolfe expects conference to continue steady march toward playing this year.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The Big 12 had help from a Mayo Genetic Cardiologist and the Kansas Medical Center. ACC has an infectious disease specialist from Duke telling them it's safe to play.

If they're cherry picking, they're sure doing so with some pretty prestigious people / institutions.

 

[Clonefan32]

Not that it makes the decision to proceed right, but I think it's important to note that for the most part nearly every conference/school in that "no fall football" row operate football at a deficit. 98% of FCS programs operate in the red, and I believe on average lose over $2M/year. When the big conferences all but eliminated non-con, G5 teams like in the MAC were also staring at operating football at a loss this year.

Obviously the Big 10 and the PAC are losing a lot of money. For everybody else it's going to save them money. For small DIII and JUCOs football is a good means of boosting enrollment, so you could see some harm to the schools if kids end up deciding not to enroll because there's no football, but probably not enough to justify the risk and operating cost.

But the reality is for almost everybody on that board other than the P5, playing a season is all risk and little to negative reward financially.

Completely agree. A local D3 college "postponed" their season and I imagine they are thrilled. I'd imagine these small schools are already in a tenuous position with smaller enrollments, I'm sure they're glad to not have the financial burden of football.

 

[JM4CY]

Top ACC Medical Advisor Says Football Can Be Played Safely

Dr. Cameron Wolfe expects conference to continue steady march toward playing this year.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The Big 12 had help from a Mayo Genetic Cardiologist and the Kansas Medical Center. ACC has an infectious disease specialist from Duke telling them it's safe to play.

If they're cherry picking, they're sure doing so with some pretty prestigious people / institutions.

meh, what could a Genetic Cardiologist from Mayo POSSIBLY know..

 

[Clonefan32]

Top ACC Medical Advisor Says Football Can Be Played Safely

Dr. Cameron Wolfe expects conference to continue steady march toward playing this year.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The Big 12 had help from a Mayo Genetic Cardiologist and the Kansas Medical Center. ACC has an infectious disease specialist from Duke telling them it's safe to play.

If they're cherry picking, they're sure doing so with some pretty prestigious people / institutions.

Oh, what does a genetic cardiologist at Mayo know about heart disease anyway?

 

[Statefan10]

meh, what could a Genetic Cardiologist from Mayo POSSIBLY know..

Yeah, or an infectious disease specialist with credentials from Duke. Psh.

 

[Clonefan32]

meh, what could a Genetic Cardiologist from Mayo POSSIBLY know..

Oh, what does a genetic cardiologist at Mayo know about heart disease anyway?

 

[aeroclone]

Put me in the camp of people who think the ACC, B12 and SEC are just delaying the inevitable. They can posture now and get a leg up on the B1G and PAC as if they are working harder to try and play, but ultimately they will follow suit and cancel.

 

[JM4CY]

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[Clonefan32]

Top ACC Medical Advisor Says Football Can Be Played Safely

Dr. Cameron Wolfe expects conference to continue steady march toward playing this year.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The Big 12 had help from a Mayo Genetic Cardiologist and the Kansas Medical Center. ACC has an infectious disease specialist from Duke telling them it's safe to play.

If they're cherry picking, they're sure doing so with some pretty prestigious people / institutions.

Jamie Pollard et al just found some junk scientist from Mayo to support their theory so they get filthy rich, duh.

 

[CycloneErik]

I have trouble discerning between those who think the COVID situation is overblown and those who just really want to watch football this fall.

Same folks. Maybe a different way of expressing it, but the same folks.

 

[JM4CY]

Yeah, or an infectious disease specialist with credentials from Duke. Psh.

 

[Clonefan32]

Put me in the camp of people who think the ACC, B12 and SEC are just delaying the inevitable. They can posture now and get a leg up on the B1G and PAC as if they are working harder to try and play, but ultimately they will follow suit and cancel.

I think this is likely true and if that's the route they go, then fine.

I just get a kick out of the notion they are relying on "bad science" in an effort to become rich, as opposed to making sure they've done their complete diligence before pulling the plug on a season that will result in millions in lost revenue which will have long-lasting implications on many, many people.

 

[kcbob79clone]

I can appreciate the play/don't play debate from a medical standpoint. That's fine. But quit acting like this is all being done to make some administrators rich.

You can't have a discussion with someone who has made up their mind and feel that they are smarter than everyone else, especially the experts from Mayo, KU Medical Center, etc.

Big12 is taking a slow patient approach instead of a knee jerk reaction. Very proactive approach dealing with monitoring and testing based on the advice of medical experts.

 

[Clonefan32]

You can't have a discussion with someone who has made up their mind and feel that they are smarter than everyone else, especially the experts from Mayo, KU Medical Center, etc.

Big12 is taking a slow patient approach instead of a knee jerk reaction. Very proactive approach dealing with monitoring and testing based on the advice of medical experts.

It's ok. Rule of thumb for me is that anyone who puts "dumb" or "dislike" but doesn't provide any counter-argument doesn't have much to add to the conversation.

Heaven forbid reasonable minds can differ on a topic that is completely unprecedented and unsettled.

You won't see them provide any reasoning why we shouldn't believe the people the Big 12 and ACC are talking to.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I have trouble discerning between those who think the COVID situation is overblown and those who just really want to watch football this fall.

I admit I'm struggling with understanding the seriousness of the pandemic and REALLY REALLY wanting to watch college football. But I don't think there is any shame in what the Big 12 is doing right now. They're the only conference that's putting a plan forward while also acknowledging that we don't know how it's going to go. If we have to cancel, we have to cancel. It was worth a shot.

The heart condition issue trotted out by the Big 10 and Pac 12 felt like a cover for their quick decision. Their arrogance led them to believe that the rest of the conferences would quickly follow. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, but the Big 12 medical teams said it's not a new or unknown condition, and the ACC's said something similar.

This is a really complicated issue, but so far, the Big 12 has handled it better than any other conference. That's something new.

 

[alarson]

It's ok. Rule of thumb for me is that anyone who puts "dumb" or "dislike" but doesn't provide any counter-argument doesn't have much to add to the conversation.

Heaven forbid reasonable minds can differ on a topic that is completely unprecedented and unsettled.

Sometimes its more efficient to hit the dumb button than to go in circles with the same morons that have been denying the severity of the virus since march, making this a problem we have to deal with for much longer than we had to.

 

[JM4CY]

I admit I'm struggling with understanding the seriousness of the pandemic and REALLY REALLY wanting to watch college football. But I don't think there is any shame in what the Big 12 is doing right now. They're the only conference that's putting a plan forward while also acknowledging that we don't know how it's going to go. If we have to cancel, we have to cancel. It was worth a shot.

The heart condition issue trotted out by the Big 10 and Pac 12 felt like a cover for their quick decision. Their arrogance led them to believe that the rest of the conferences would quickly follow. I'm not saying the issue isn't real, but the Big 12 medical teams said it's not a new or unknown condition, and the ACC's said something similar.

This is a really complicated issue, but so far, the Big 12 has handled it better than any other conference. That's something new.

Thank you. This is exactly where I am at.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Pardon my ignorance, but the pac's decision to postpone has more to do with the players organizing last week, no?

 

[Statefan10]

Pardon my ignorance, but the pac's decision to postpone has more to do with the players organizing last week, no?

It did have something to do with that, yes.