Pac-12 exploring expansion options as Big Ten informs Oregon, Washington it's standing pat for now
The Pac-12 will have to figure out how to stay afloat in a new landscape without USC and UCLA
Who is best for the Big 12?
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Do you really think the B1G invited USC & UCLA to sit on an island across the country? Of course at least two other teams are getting invited. The B1G is waiting to see if ND jumps and if it does it will give ND a huge say in who is added. That might mean the difference whether Stanford is added or not if ND deems them important. Conferences, sportswriters, etc all make statements like "the league is not inviting other teams AT THIS TIME, but that can be changed literally next week.
That being said probably both UW & OR get accepted in the next month whether ND comes or not.
And that is why there is no way in hell the PAC is going to be poaching Big 12 teams.
PAC was in trouble, then USC and UCLA left
Oregon and UW are jumping at the first chance at a Big 10 invite, which seems likely at some point.
PAC. IS. DEAD.
The ONLY chance UW & OR don't go to the B1G is USC & UCLA feel it differentiates themselves by the only west coast schools being in the B1G and see that as a recruiting advantage and a way to not lose players to UW & OR but I doubt it. There new tv deal is supposed to involve FOX, CBS & NBC besides BTN and FS1. Some are rumoring ESPN is back in. You need more inventory to support 3 national networks.
IF ND & Stanford went to the B1G and the B1G or SEC pried away NC & Va. and then the realignment stopped that would be best for the remaining leagues and would leave some quality teams for the B12 with PAC additions and ACC.
IF ND & Stanford went to the B1G and the B1G or SEC pried away NC & Va. and then the realignment stopped that would be best for the remaining leagues and would leave some quality teams for the B12 with PAC additions and ACC.
To think otherwise is to have not experienced life in the Big 12 the past decade plus. I want to hit all these "experts" in the head who don't see the exact same pattern coming. I mean, none of this is new, we know how this works.
This is like if Texas and another top 3 school had been the first teams to leave the original Big 12 rather than mid level Neb/CU...and Big 12 schools were already geographically far flung and isolated. It's losing the flagship member and probably another top 3 or 4 member when the league was already struggling at full strength. It's losing its largest market and second biggest market in country, although probably only 5 or 6 sports market.
Their options are to hold at 10 for a year or two, or add teams like SDSU, Nevada, NM or Boise.
If we hadn't added BYU and Houston I think those two would be getting strong looks. Academics/religion is out the window when it's survival mode for half the members.
I don't know that much about SDSU and Fresno State. Do they make sense? I have to think the bay area schools already more than cover Fresno/central valley market but having something in socal probably makes sense.
Pac-12 exploring expansion options as Big Ten informs Oregon, Washington it's standing pat for now
The Pac-12 will have to figure out how to stay afloat in a new landscape without USC and UCLAwww.cbssports.com
this quote from that article!!!
Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said this a few days ago about the Big Ten's new TV contract: "I think the Big Ten is going to crush it, and we are rooting for them because I think they will set the market."
If I'm part of the Rose Bowl commission I just try to reposition it as "we're a bowl for two best teams available". Make yourself as much of an SEC bowl as any other conference.
I could see bowls being completely disconnected from the playoff soon and the Rose Bowl would then hope for a 9 vs 10 type of game or 13 vs 15 type of game.
Maybe it just becomes a famous parade?
I could see bowls being completely disconnected from the playoff soon and the Rose Bowl would then hope for a 9 vs 10 type of game or 13 vs 15 type of game.
Maybe it just becomes a famous parade?
How many times now have we heard the same thing about the Big 12? Yet here we are. I don’t think it’s a certainty that the PAC is dead yet. It’s a possibility but not a certainty.
Just going off of what’s reported, though you could be right. The only counterpoint I could muster is that L.A. is pretty easy to travel to from the Midwest, and that maybe the logistics of sending the Maryland women’s soccer team to Eugene, OR wasn’t worth the hassle.
I’m probably wrong, but just thought I’d toss that angle out there…
Right, I hadn't considered that.
If the PAC is going to try to make a go of it, I think they'd reach out to San Diego St. It checks a lot of boxes, building a new stadium that opens this year (maybe it's next year), and re-establishes a SoCal presence for the conference.
Beyond that, though, I'm really at a loss for anyone that they realistically might add. Nobody's leaving one of the other P5s for them at this point. Boise St has the football team and absolutely nothing else of value. Colorado St? Nevada, New Mexico, New Mexico St? Some Texas schools like UTEP? I think Stanford and Cal would rather give up athletics completely than associated with the likes of those.
I think the Big 12 survived (for now) because the remaining members have no where else to go. At least 4 of the PAC 12 teams will likely have the option of going to the Big 12. So 6-8 of their teams will be gone.
I say we take 2 (say we are going to 16 while OuT is here) and then see what our options are while the rest twists a bit. Can always add teams at any time.
Heartland College Sports reports that somebody with the Big12 said there is no interest in poaching Pac 12 teams remaining. Never mind that - Yormark, make your mark by pitching a combined conference governing structure with 2 distinct leagues, the Big 12 and the remaining Pac 12 with BYU. If a couple teams bail on that idea, go after the same teams the Pac would be after to expand - probably San Diego State and Boise. End up with 2 -10 or 11 team leagues. Round robin in football in each. Playoff 1 vs 2 in each, but winners do not play each other unless they meet in CFB playoff. If TV requires, back off to 8 games in your conference with 2 or 3 crossover games. This maintains, as much as possible, the one true champion approach and existing rivalries, things other conferences don't seem to care about. Grant of Rights is negotiated for all teams at once and the base division of revenue is the same for all teams. Move the combined league office to Oklahoma City, Kansas City, or Denver. Basketball and football championships are played within each side's footprint. Something of an official alliance with bargaining leverage. Just when the Super conferences think they have buried the Big 12, again, and backed the Pac into a corner where they can pick up teams at a bargain, the Eagle Conference Alliance leaps ahead. Or something like that.
This is out of control. Need a higher power intervention. Commerce department anti-trust. Tax the B1G/Sec TV proceeds and give it to needy students at all universities. Way too much money being added to the arms race. Also need to fix NIL somehow. Maybe have a salary cap.
My problem with adding Oregon is that I do not trust them whatsoever. They just seem like a school that thinks it’s better than everyone else and would screw the other schools if they had a chance (e.g. Texas).
