Who has a lower basketball IQ than Mike Taylor?

[dbronco7sc]

I'm 99% positive (front row while watching this and confirm with my roommate who was six rows from bottom) that Taylor had the ball near half court (closer to the left side than right from Taylor's point of view looking at the hoop) Stood there forever listening to McDermott. I thought he was going to get 5 seconds until somebody informed me that when nobody's guarding you close it's okay. Then eventually he shot from the right side of the court... there was time to rebound as I agree with Johnny8 that there was about 3.5 seconds left when the ball was rebounded.

I could see McD telling him to take a three with guys crashing the boards for a chance at a putback with about 3 seconds left... which is what happened except we didn't get the rebound.

 

[coachdags]

Mike was supposed to flash past the screen by Jiri , Jiri then flashes down to the box, Wesley pops up to the free throw line for the ball ...Wesley 1st Option, Jiri 2nd, Mike 3rd...

What is Mac to do? bench Mike T (I want him to) he does not have anyone else....

Down 4 Schollies this year 3 + (Alex Thompson)....

We do not have the players....yet

Did anyone catch the end of Neb vs Texas Tech...I'm sure Bobby K does not teach B ball the way that game ended save the ball at your own end , up by one, give the other team a chance to win..?

Kids SCREW up..! Coaches continue to TEACH

 

[MaxPower57]

This team has some cogs to be successful, but for a basketball team to be successful they need a successful backcourt. We have some sort of inside game surprisingly, and that should only improve with Brackins and Thompson. Our midrange/small forwards are also solid with Clark and Wes.

We just need a couple of adequate backcourt players. The problem is, those guys aren't here yet. We need a spot shooter and a ballhandler. Dunson could be that shooter, but we'll see. Our future success depends on Diante Garrett being a true blue PG and any from the assortment of Dunson/Eikmeier/Staiger to be that spot shooter.

To quote Axl Rose, "We just need a lil' patience"

 

[bfeil]

A year ago, people were saying similar things about Wayne Morgan...they were questioning him why we werent winning. That was Waynes 5th year, this is Gmacs first year! He only had half the time to recruit. I believe he is slowly but steadily improving the players we have right now. People must remember that it takes time to make a strong basketball program. also who else would Gmac play over mike taylor. Dodie is not ready to be thrown into big games and be crushed as a freshman and potentially have it be on his mind for the rest of his time at ISU.

We werent expected to win a single game this year...just remember that after every game.

 

[darts180]

A year ago, people were saying similar things about Wayne Morgan...they were questioning him why we werent winning. That was Waynes 5th year, this is Gmacs first year! He only had half the time to recruit. I believe he is slowly but steadily improving the players we have right now. People must remember that it takes time to make a strong basketball program. also who else would Gmac play over mike taylor. Dodie is not ready to be thrown into big games and be crushed as a freshman and potentially have it be on his mind for the rest of his time at ISU.

We werent expected to win a single game this year...just remember that after every game.

Nice job. Except it was only Wayne's third year. I can understand your confusion, we do tend to let coaches stay too damn long, but that seems to only be in football.

 

[clones11]

dont forget people these are 2nd and third tier recruits that fact that they are playing like it is bohtersome but not inexcusable this year we knew we were going to have some ups but mostly a lot of downs give McD a couple years let him get his feet in the door completely take off his coat sit in the chair and have some coffee and stay a while and then im sure we will see the kind of success we all know a love

 

[wartknight]

Without Taylor this team would be lucky to score 30 points a game and we probably wouldn't get the ball past half court. There was so much fear in Dodie and McIntosh's eyes last night that I was getting scared for them. They looked horrified every time they had the ball and couldn't wait to get rid of it. Mike Taylor should not have to bring the ball up the court, he should be getting screens set for him in the half court set and then getting open looks. Unfortunately, with the personnel of this team, Taylor doing what Taylor does is a necessity.

 

[jaws90us]

It all starts with the guards if they don't pass and move the ball. Everyone else will start to stand around. If you make a cut and are open and don't get the ball. Then you have a tendency to stop moving. I agree he is too selfish. If I were the coach he would be sitting next to me. I think when a team plays like a team you can win with less talent. They are exciting to watch and will play with allot more energy on both sides of the ball.

 

[Psiclone]

George W. Bush? lol...nah I'll give Mike Taylor the benefit on that one.

just too easy to make fun of g dub nowadays...

LOL. Good one, but too obvious!:wink0st:

 

[URBCLONE]

I can't stand watching him. For every great play he makes, here come 2 bad ones.

I'm very disappointed that GMAC hasn't found a way to make him a more disciplined player.

The shot before 1/2 pretty much sums up the type of player that he is.

Please don't rip on Mike Taylor. He, Wesley Johnson, and Rashon Clark are the only Big 12 caliber players ISU has. Jiri Hubalek never met a shot he didn't like and couldn't defend if his life depended on it. Corey McIntosh tries but is simply not a Big 12 point guard. Unfortunately, Rashon's offensive game is gone as well. Hopefully '07 -'08 will be better, but it sure seems like we say that almost every year.

 

[benjay]

We knew early in the season that this team will rise and fall on the shoulders of Mike Taylor. He has been forced to carry the team, and although it can be frustrating, he is our best player. None of our other players have been asked to do as much as Taylor, and none of them are standalone players.

I am glad we got him, because if we had not, our record would be pitiful.

 

[htownclone]

I can't stand watching him. For every great play he makes, here come 2 bad ones.

I'm very disappointed that GMAC hasn't found a way to make him a more disciplined player.

The shot before 1/2 pretty much sums up the type of player that he is.

I cannot believe how negative this thread and others have been. They are players on OUR team. Is it really necessary to be so critical and negative about our own players. I mean, at least channel your frustration into the other team or opposing players, just something. But please, quit friggin' ripping our own players. It does absolutely no good to start a thread about how you don't like a player. The title for this thread in itself is ridiculous.

I just don't get how we can just tear apart our own players on here. Honestly, it's embarassing to log on and see threads with titles like this, or the Corey Mcintosh thread a few days ago. What's more surprising is that with a thread like this, there are people that back the poster up and feel the same way. I would expect people to stick up for our players and teams instead of tearing them down. For the love, just keep it positive...

 

[jahfg]

I cannot believe how negative this thread and others have been. They are players on OUR team. Is it really necessary to be so critical and negative about our own players. I mean, at least channel your frustration into the other team or opposing players, just something. But please, quit friggin' ripping our own players. It does absolutely no good to start a thread about how you don't like a player. The title for this thread in itself is ridiculous.

I just don't get how we can just tear apart our own players on here. Honestly, it's embarassing to log on and see threads with titles like this, or the Corey Mcintosh thread a few days ago. What's more surprising is that with a thread like this, there are people that back the poster up and feel the same way. I would expect people to stick up for our players and teams instead of tearing them down. For the love, just keep it positive...

Mike Taylor is open to criticism. I don't doubt he's trying his hardest and I don't doubt that he is one of our best players but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized. I don't think anyone is saying he should be benched. Obviously we need him on the floor. What some of us are frustrated with is the fact that he hasn't improved with his decision making. He continually makes the wrong play. If he would quit worrying about making the 'great' play and just make the simple one, he would be one hell of a player. It is just frustrating watching him take us out of a game with his unforced mistakes. I'm not talking about just last night either. He has done it all season. I know we can't win without him. I also know that you can accept coaching and mature as a player. He has matured a little bit but not much. He just doesn't understand the game of basketball whatsoever.


Also, whoever said he is our best player, is out of their mind. Anyone can take the amount of shots he takes and score as much. Lately, he has been getting all his points when it doesn't matter (excluding Baylor game). If WJ or DD takes the amount of shots Mike does, they have just as good of scoring stats. The difference is WJ and DD know the importance of time, situation, and shot selection. That is something Taylor has no grasp of. Wesley Johnson is easily our best player right now.

 

[htownclone]

Mike Taylor is open to criticism. I don't doubt he's trying his hardest and I don't doubt that he is one of our best players but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized. I don't think anyone is saying he should be benched. Obviously we need him on the floor. What some of us are frustrated with is the fact that he hasn't improved with his decision making. He continually makes the wrong play. If he would quit worrying about making the 'great' play and just make the simple one, he would be one hell of a player. It is just frustrating watching him take us out of a game with his unforced mistakes. I'm not talking about just last night either. He has done it all season. I know we can't win without him. I also know that you can accept coaching and mature as a player. He has matured a little bit but not much. He just doesn't understand the game of basketball whatsoever.


Also, whoever said he is our best player, is out of their mind. Anyone can take the amount of shots he takes and score as much. Lately, he has been getting all his points when it doesn't matter (excluding Baylor game). If WJ or DD takes the amount of shots Mike does, they have just as good of scoring stats. The difference is WJ and DD know the importance of time, situation, and shot selection. That is something Taylor has no grasp of. Wesley Johnson is easily our best player right now.

Well I guess I'm the only one who thinks that having open season on our own players is not a good thing. "Who has a lower basketball IQ than Mike Taylor?"---My guess is a lot of people. Do we expect for these new guys to just jump in and play like All-Americans against a solid Big 12? We are VERY young and inexperienced. I don't think starting threads to rip on our own players for making mistakes is merited. We play some really good teams this year and sure we've had some ugly games and have looked extremely bad, but if you came into the year with high expectations then that was not very realistic. We basically started completely over this year, so we have a new team learning a whole new system. We're gonna struggle. We aren't gonna win the Big 12 regular season and most likely not the conference tourny. We probably won't make the NCAA tourny and might not even make the NIT. I think we have expected way too much from such a young and inexperienced team. It will take a couple years for us to get rolling again, but until then, why not try to be positive and support our players, rather than criticizing after every disappointing loss we have. Don't get me wrong, it's frustrating to see us get whipped at home against Missouri and get flat out embarrassed on the road at A&M. I was at the A&M game and was about ready to scream cause we looked so awful. But I think picking out individual players and criticizing them isn't very classy. There is a difference between ripping a player apart and offering constructive criticism. Some posts (and not just from this thread, ie. like the Corey Mac thread) are just ridiculous. When I read some of the titles for these threads it just makes me sad to see that people are shredding our players to pieces. Let's support our team, the near future will be rough, but in the coming years we will be pretty dang good.

 

[benjay]

Also, whoever said he is our best player, is out of their mind. Anyone can take the amount of shots he takes and score as much. Lately, he has been getting all his points when it doesn't matter (excluding Baylor game). If WJ or DD takes the amount of shots Mike does, they have just as good of scoring stats. The difference is WJ and DD know the importance of time, situation, and shot selection. That is something Taylor has no grasp of. Wesley Johnson is easily our best player right now.

That's fine, you can make a good case for Wesley being our best player. I just feel he's not as important to the team as Taylor -- at least not yet.

Taylor has the ability to penetrate and create, and no one else on the team really has that.

 

[tigershoops31]

But I think picking out individual players and criticizing them isn't very classy. There is a difference between ripping a player apart and offering constructive criticism. Some posts (and not just from this thread, ie. like the Corey Mac thread) are just ridiculous. When I read some of the titles for these threads it just makes me sad to see that people are shredding our players to pieces. Let's support our team, the near future will be rough, but in the coming years we will be pretty dang good.

Exactly...I would expect to see some of this bilge for thread titles on our opponents' message boards. We've got what we've got for this year (and maybe next), so we might as well make the most of it. I hate losing as much or more than anybody else, but we knew going in we were going to have to take joy in the little things for a while. It would make it a lot more bearable for everybody if we could cheer for and build up our players when they do things well, and realize that when we suck they're still at least giving their all. I guess maybe some people are hoping that Mike Taylor and Corey Mac are going to get on here for their daily dose of friendly Cyclone advice and realize "Hey, that guy on the message boards is right, I DO need to choose better shots" or "Man, I wish that message board genius would have came to me with advice on how to blow by my guy and be more aggressive earlier in the year. We could have won some of those games!" I guess I'm just saying that whining and crying about players isn't going to help anything so you're better off to stay somewhat positive and cheer them on than to write them off and rip on them.

 

[jahfg]

Well I guess I'm the only one who thinks that having open season on our own players is not a good thing. "Who has a lower basketball IQ than Mike Taylor?"---My guess is a lot of people. Do we expect for these new guys to just jump in and play like All-Americans against a solid Big 12? We are VERY young and inexperienced. I don't think starting threads to rip on our own players for making mistakes is merited. We play some really good teams this year and sure we've had some ugly games and have looked extremely bad, but if you came into the year with high expectations then that was not very realistic. We basically started completely over this year, so we have a new team learning a whole new system. We're gonna struggle. We aren't gonna win the Big 12 regular season and most likely not the conference tourny. We probably won't make the NCAA tourny and might not even make the NIT. I think we have expected way too much from such a young and inexperienced team. It will take a couple years for us to get rolling again, but until then, why not try to be positive and support our players, rather than criticizing after every disappointing loss we have. Don't get me wrong, it's frustrating to see us get whipped at home against Missouri and get flat out embarrassed on the road at A&M. I was at the A&M game and was about ready to scream cause we looked so awful. But I think picking out individual players and criticizing them isn't very classy. There is a difference between ripping a player apart and offering constructive criticism. Some posts (and not just from this thread, ie. like the Corey Mac thread) are just ridiculous. When I read some of the titles for these threads it just makes me sad to see that people are shredding our players to pieces. Let's support our team, the near future will be rough, but in the coming years we will be pretty dang good.

I'm not asking MT to be an all-american. I'm asking him to make better decisions and value the basketball.

 

[ISUFan22]

value the basketball.

Why? There is always a rack of basketballs near the court somewhere. Lose one, just go get another.

:wink0st:

 

[dbronco7sc]

I for one have a lower basketball IQ than Mike Taylor... for the record.

 

[BryceC]

I think there are several groups of people reading this thread and misunderstanding others. I don't dislike Mike, and I don't think he has a terrible basketball IQ. I highly doubt anybody really wishes he wasn't on the team, a lot of this stuff is being said in frustration.

We aren't gonna win the Big 12 regular season and most likely not the conference tourny. We probably won't make the NCAA tourny and might not even make the NIT. I think we have expected way too much from such a young and inexperienced team.

I for one never expected any of this. I thought we would finish 6-10. I was never concerned about winning and losing and if you ask my wife I told her I thought we would lose both the Colorado and Mizzouri game. It isn't about winning to me, it's about seeing improvement and effort. I don't seriously see this team getting better.