When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[GBlade]

Tesla recalls nearly all vehicles sold in US to fix system that monitors drivers using Autopilot

Tesla is recalling nearly all vehicles sold in the U.S., more than 2 million, to update software and fix a defective system when using Autopilot.

apnews.com

It's good that Tesla is being held accountable, but It's weird they call an automatic software update a recall.

 

[dmclone]

 

[RedlineSi]

I like the Rivian SUV and truck, but I worry about the longevity of the company. We moved away from Rivian and seriously looking at the Lucid Gravity SUV.

You're joking right? Lucid is only alive right now because of the Saudi's. It's hanging on by a string. They might never even get to the Gravity. Rivian is growing, building the 2nd plant, and has Amazon as its largest shareholder.

You've got things backwards.

 

[RedlineSi]

Not losing money as bad as Rivian but all these companies have a legit shot of folding. Rivian was losing in Q2 around $33k per truck. That is not sustainable and Q4 looks like it might even be greater.

Lucid is losing $433,000 PER vehicle

 

[simply1]

??

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Tesla recalls nearly all vehicles sold in US to fix system that monitors drivers using Autopilot

Tesla is recalling nearly all vehicles sold in the U.S., more than 2 million, to update software and fix a defective system when using Autopilot.

apnews.com

This will be remedied by OTA updates. They really need to come up with a different term than "recall" for instances like this. Otherwise, all of the phones in our pockets would be getting "recalls" multiple times a month.

 

[cynuck]

You're joking right? Lucid is only alive right now because of the Saudi's. It's hanging on by a string. They might never even get to the Gravity. Rivian is growing, building the 2nd plant, and has Amazon as its largest shareholder.

You've got things backwards.

Yeah a month into having the Rivian R1S I’m so happy I got it. Between all-purpose, sport and off- road modes it feels like you’re driving completely different types of vehicles.

 

[simply1]

This will be remedied by OTA updates. They really need to come up with a different term than "recall" for instances like this. Otherwise, all of the phones in our pockets would be getting "recalls" multiple times a month.

I think it still needs to be clarified that it’s NHTSA mandated. The regulatory environment is much different for cell phones versus automated cars running over people or crashing into other things. That iPhone update is nothing like the Tesla update.

 

[Clonehomer]

This will be remedied by OTA updates. They really need to come up with a different term than "recall" for instances like this. Otherwise, all of the phones in our pockets would be getting "recalls" multiple times a month.

The term recall is used for legal reasons to show that they found an issue and will remedy on vehicles. But in the end, they are liable. The term update would show no admittance of fault on their end.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I think it still needs to be clarified that it’s NHTSA mandated. The regulatory environment is much different for cell phones versus automated cars running over people or crashing into other things. That iPhone update is nothing like the Tesla update.

This "recall" has nothing to do with the automated driving system spotting and avoiding obstacles in the vehicle's path. It's entirely related to ensuring drivers are paying attention to the road while autosteer is engaged.

Really looking forward to getting more pointless nags while I have autosteer engaged, along with my attention being fully on the road without distraction. I already get the nags as it is even when they're unwarranted, we'll see how much worse it gets now.

 

[Clonehomer]

This "recall" has nothing to do with the automated driving system spotting and avoiding obstacles in the vehicle's path. It's entirely related to ensuring drivers are paying attention to the road while autosteer is engaged.

Really looking forward to getting more pointless nags while I have autosteer engaged, along with my attention being fully on the road without distraction. I already get the nags as it is even when they're unwarranted, we'll see how much worse it gets now.

The pointless nags are there to keep the liability on the driver and not the software. If the driver is allowed to let the software take over and not pay attention, then there’s a chance that Tesla could be held responsible for accidents while operating in autopilot. They are there for CYA for our litigious society.

 

[simply1]

This "recall" has nothing to do with the automated driving system spotting and avoiding obstacles in the vehicle's path. It's entirely related to ensuring drivers are paying attention to the road while autosteer is engaged.

Really looking forward to getting more pointless nags while I have autosteer engaged, along with my attention being fully on the road without distraction. I already get the nags as it is even when they're unwarranted, we'll see how much worse it gets now.

The source is completely different than cell phones, which I’m sure you see. Whether you like needing a human overseer to prevent the autopilot from running into people is irrelevant to the NHTSA requiring something versus a cell phone company pushing features and such.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I think it still needs to be clarified that it’s NHTSA mandated. The regulatory environment is much different for cell phones versus automated cars running over people or crashing into other things. That iPhone update is nothing like the Tesla update.

In automotive world, a recall is a government mandated fix due to a safety issue. This could also happen for emissions controls. A voluntary fix to improved quality or features is called a campaign.

For three years I worked as a field data analyst in the heavy truck industry, investigating issues and submitting reports to EPA/CARB. Never got involved with NHTSA personally but coworkers in my department have. Now I work more on the upstream development/verification/validation side to prevent this stuff from making it to the field in the first place.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

The pointless nags are there to keep the liability on the driver and not the software. If the driver is allowed to let the software take over and not pay attention, then there’s a chance that Tesla could be held responsible for accidents while operating in autopilot. They are there for CYA for our litigious society.

Oh, I'm totally aware of why they're there. Just saying that the system doesn't do well enough at accurately identifying when the driver isn't paying attention vs. when they are.

 

[besserheimerphat]

The pointless nags are there to keep the liability on the driver and not the software. If the driver is allowed to let the software take over and not pay attention, then there’s a chance that Tesla could be held responsible for accidents while operating in autopilot. They are there for CYA for our litigious society.

They aren't pointless nags, as indicated by the crashes caused by people not paying enough attention with the feature engaged. And partly due to Musk's own "wink wink we can't call it self driving but it's self driving" attitude.

 

[VTXCyRyD]

I see your iPhone was recalled.

 

[cycloneG]

AT&T Partners With Rivian To Electrify Its Commercial Fleet

The telecommunications company will start using Rivian Commercial Vans and R1 vehicles next year

jalopnik.com

 

[nrg4isu]

AT&T Partners With Rivian To Electrify Its Commercial Fleet

The telecommunications company will start using Rivian Commercial Vans and R1 vehicles next year

jalopnik.com

For high density, start/stop routes these make a TON of sense. The first generation of these might not be a knock-it-out of the park success, but over time, the electric delivery van will become one of those things where we are amazed we didn't switch to it sooner.

 

[mramseyISU]

For high density, start/stop routes these make a TON of sense. The first generation of these might not be a knock-it-out of the park success, but over time, the electric delivery van will become one of those things where we are amazed we didn't switch to it sooner.

I think UPS/FedEx/USPS would be crazy not to be looking at electrifying their fleets in the near term. The amount of fuel they burn has to be crazy high. These delivery services all have a more or less fixed distance a day they travel and you could do a lot with that I think. After the upfront costs I think they would pay for themselves pretty quick.

 

[RedlineSi]

I have to think Rivian is in deep negotiations with UPS/FedEx