What's ISU's Record in 2012?

[VeloClone]

Possible depth chart?

Offense:

TE: Hammerschmidt/Brun (Should be the same or better)
LT: Bykowski? (KO will be a pretty big loss, but the line seems pretty solid)
LG: Tuftee (Should get better)
C : Farinok (Should get better)
RG: Gannon? (Hicks was good but had a lot of penalties that killed drives.)
RT: Burris? Lichtenberg? (Should get better)

Overall Offensive Line/Tight End Prediction:
Kelechi is a huge loss, but the improvement of all the other players may offset KO's talent.

QB: Steele Jantz OR Jared Barnett OR Sam Richardson (I hope this position gets a lot better. They need to.)
RB: White, Woody, Johnson, Hollis, Nealy, Standard (Should be better)
WR: Horne, Daniels, Lenz, West, Bundrage, Young, Gary (Darius Reynolds had some big games this year but was non-existent in half of them. Darks was not a big producer this year. Should get better)

Overall Skill Position Prediction:
This group needs the most improvement, and I see a lot of groups that should improve.

Defense:
LE: Scott, Irving (Lattimer was decent but should probably get better)
DT: McDonough, Liang, Simon (Should get better)
NG: Woods, Jensen, Pompey (I think Pompey has the raw ability to be better than Rump, but we'll see how he performs next season.)
RE: Maggitt, Nelson, Hayes (Should get better)

Overall D-Line Prediction:
Should improve because of experience. We need more QB pressure next year!

SLB: Cheese (Better)
MLB: George/Porter (Better)
WLB: Knott (Better)

Overall Linebackers Prediction:
Will be amazing hopefully. We will miss Cheese and Knott after this upcoming season.

RCB: Watson? Stokes? (Probably won't be as good as LJ, but hopefully will be in time.)
LCB: Reeves (Better)
SS: Brackens (This guy looks like a player. I think he will be as good as Ter'ran.)
FS: Washington (Better)

Overall Secondary Prediction:
Should be pretty good--especially if they don't get any 15 yard penalties:wink:. Hopefully they get better then they were this year.

I like to take huge draughts of Kool-aid on many occasions, but when we look at areas (DL and secondary in particular) and replace standout starters with players who only saw limited duty and say that as a whole the unit should be better, I have to question it.

We will miss Hicks as well as KO. I think the best we can expect is a moderate drop off in consistent production with fewer penalties somewhat helping by not digging as many holes (see, I drank a little Kool-aid with the penalty thing).

Pompey looked legit in his highlight videos but to say he will immediately step into Dutch's shoes is a leap of faith. I know that isn't what you said, but you did say they will be better because of experience, ignoring that we lose the experience of two of the four starters.

I really can't fathom how it is a given that we will be better at Mike.

We will definitely miss LJ. The way we were able to use him against the elite is really irreplacable by committee. We could be more improved at every other DB position and still have it affect our run support because we have to give that CB more help against the elite receivers - and make no mistake there will still be plenty of those in the Big 12 next year. In addition we will have an unproven SS that because he is "a player" will as good as Benton?

I just really can't subscribe to the wisdom that when ISU loses proven starters it will result in an upgrade because more talented (and inexperienced) players will step in and upgrade the position. At the same time when our opponents lose starters it immediately means that they will be worse and easier pickings next year. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Both things happen to all teams at times, but more often you take a step back at a position at least for a while when you lose the experience. It isn't that common that the new guy in when a starter graduates immediately means an upgrade at the position.

 

[LutherBlue]

I just really can't subscribe to the wisdom that when ISU loses proven starters it will result in an upgrade because more talented (and inexperienced) players will step in and upgrade the position. At the same time when our opponents lose starters it immediately means that they will be worse and easier pickings next year. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Both things happen to all teams at times, but more often you take a step back at a position at least for a while when you lose the experience. It isn't that common that the new guy in when a starter graduates immediately means an upgrade at the position.

Thank you, this always cracks me up as well. Our OL just got worked over by Rutgers, we lose KO and Hicks, but we'll be better next year. [shakes head]

I would rank these issues as the key to getting to 7 wins next year (or better):

1. Significantly improved QB play.
2. Finding a placekicker.













100. Everything else.

 

[VeloClone]

Thank you, this always cracks me up as well. Our OL just got worked over by Rutgers, we lose KO and Hicks, but we'll be better next year. [shakes head]

I would rank these issues as the key to getting to 7 wins next year (or better):

1. Significantly improved QB play.
2. Finding a placekicker.

100. Everything else.

Thanks, I meant to mention that as well. Despite the struggles, it is hard to imagine that whatever PK we use (having never attempted a college kick) will be a huge improvement over the mediocre kicking we have had this year.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I like to take huge draughts of Kool-aid on many occasions, but when we look at areas (DL and secondary in particular) and replace standout starters with players who only saw limited duty and say that as a whole the unit should be better, I have to question it.

We will miss Hicks as well as KO. I think the best we can expect is a moderate drop off in consistent production with fewer penalties somewhat helping by not digging as many holes (see, I drank a little Kool-aid with the penalty thing).

Pompey looked legit in his highlight videos but to say he will immediately step into Dutch's shoes is a leap of faith. I know that isn't what you said, but you did say they will be better because of experience, ignoring that we lose the experience of two of the four starters.

I really can't fathom how it is a given that we will be better at Mike.

We will definitely miss LJ. The way we were able to use him against the elite is really irreplacable by committee. We could be more improved at every other DB position and still have it affect our run support because we have to give that CB more help against the elite receivers - and make no mistake there will still be plenty of those in the Big 12 next year. In addition we will have an unproven SS that because he is "a player" will as good as Benton?

I just really can't subscribe to the wisdom that when ISU loses proven starters it will result in an upgrade because more talented (and inexperienced) players will step in and upgrade the position. At the same time when our opponents lose starters it immediately means that they will be worse and easier pickings next year. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Both things happen to all teams at times, but more often you take a step back at a position at least for a while when you lose the experience. It isn't that common that the new guy in when a starter graduates immediately means an upgrade at the position.

Well, I never said the O-Line would be better than this year. I said they may be able to offset KO's talent, but that doesn't mean they will.

I never said Pompey would immediately match Rump's production and never said that position would be better this upcoming year.

I said MLB would be an improvement because George was pretty much neck for neck with Matt all year and bringing in one of the top JUCO linebackers certainly doesn't hurt.

As for SS, that was a complete guess, but I can't remember the last time ISU hasn't produced a pretty good player in that position. Brackens has been doing great in special teams this year (If I'm thinking of the right guy:unsure.

 

[Cyclonetrombone]

ISU goes undefeated and gets invited to the BCS National Championship, but the Mayans were right and the world ends prior to the game being played.

 

[CloneFan319]

Kool-Aid is flowing in this thread. But after 2 straight losing, but very exciting seasons, our Cyclones pull out an 8-4 record.

 

[SplitIdentity]

I really like how people are not just saying beat Iowa and our season is complete. I like how we wanna get 9 wins. Everything is changing But if we would beat Iowa In Kinnick that wouldn't be bad

not happening. sorry.

 

[VeloClone]

ISU goes undefeated and gets invited to the BCS National Championship, but the Mayans were right and the world ends prior to the game being played.

Doh! Chizzed again.

 

[Al_4_State]

not happening. sorry.

Well that settles it. Might as well save all that money and not bus the team over to Iowa City.

 

[VeloClone]

not happening. sorry.

Your arrogance exemplifies why many here have a healthy hatred toward most hawk fans.

 

[MNCyGuy]

ISU is way too hard to predict on a game-to-game basis, but I do believe that this team has gotten better every year since CPR's arrival and for the first time in 3 years the schedule difficulty is levelling out instead of getting harder. I think we finally see a baby-step forward in wins to 7-5, maybe 8-4, and get there through some combination of too-close-for-comfort wins, aggravating losses, and absurd upsets.

 

[PabloDiablo]

We don't have an elite QB...maybe Sam Richardson is one. I think maybe he is. You've have GOT to have one to win big in this conference. But until we get one we are going to struggle to get to 6-7 wins. Including next year. People thinking we win 8-9 wins next are high. Straight up high. Not going to happen. 2013...maybe, if the ball bounces our way, we get to 8-9 wins.

I don't think that is true, if we have a competent QB who doesn't turn over the ball and complete 60% I think we get 7-8 wins this past year. If we have "elite" QB play, ie RG3 or Wheedon I think our team breaks ten wins.

That said, I am saying 7-8 wins next year. If QB gets sorted out and our rush game improves we become dangerous on O. Also, count me in the crowd that is pumped up for Standard and Nealy to start up. I couldn't help but think of Standard breaking Monte Ball's St. Louis rushing record while watching Monte kick *** last night in the Rose.

 

[SplitIdentity]

not happening. sorry.

Your arrogance exemplifies why many here have a healthy hatred toward most hawk fans.

I give it the same chance that isu fans gave Iowa winning in Hilton this year. were isu fans being arrogant with their expectations? no. home team usually wins these games and that's what I expect to happen again.

 

[SplitIdentity]

not happening. sorry.

Your arrogance exemplifies why many here have a healthy hatred toward most hawk fans.

I give it the same chance that isu fans gave Iowa winning in Hilton this year. were isu fans being arrogant with their expectations? no. home team usually wins these games and that's what I expect to happen again.

 

[Selere]

Does anyone remember during the Pinstripe Bowl when the announcers were talking about our QB situation?

They were saying that this team has some great players and playmakers, but the problem was our QB's weren't giving them the chance to play to their strengths. They had to bend over backwards to be able to get the ball and even then that wasn't enough.

They then went on to say that if Iowa State had a decent quarterback, they expected to see a very dangerous offense that could give the Big 12 a run for their money.

I personally can see it. There was many a time when we had a wide open guy, but our QBs were either too busy crapping their pants or scrambling for their life to hit them. And when we did throw it to them, it would would not be an accurate enough throw.

This team has the potential. But it is truly only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. If we can get our QBs on the money, then I predict a very strong season. 6-6 at the worst, 8-3 at the best.

 

[Al_4_State]

I give it the same chance that isu fans gave Iowa winning in Hilton this year. were isu fans being arrogant with their expectations? no. home team usually wins these games and that's what I expect to happen again.

Of course the comparison between ISU/Iowa football and ISU/Iowa basketball is a faulty one right now.

ISU football should be a better team than Iowa next year. They were this year, and they return a lot more than the Hawks. Not only do the Hawks lose a lot of on-field talent, they also lose one of the key components of the Ferentz-era successes in Norm. The game being played in Kinnick is about the only thing Iowa has going for it in this match up. That's big, but theres a lot more to it than that.

ISU basketball beat Iowa in Iowa City last year, and was bringing in a massive influx of talent. Why wouldn't any fans expect to wax a team they beat on the road the previous year when they were playing that team at home and with a lot more talent available?

 

[SplitIdentity]

I give it the same chance that isu fans gave Iowa winning in Hilton this year. were isu fans being arrogant with their expectations? no. home team usually wins these games and that's what I expect to happen again.

Of course the comparison between ISU/Iowa football and ISU/Iowa basketball is a faulty one right now. ISU football should be a better team than Iowa next year. They were this year, and they return a lot more than the Hawks. Not only do the Hawks lose a lot of on-field talent, they also lose one of the key components of the Ferentz-era successes in Norm. The game being played in Kinnick is about the only thing Iowa has going for it in this match up. That's big, but theres a lot more to it than that. ISU basketball beat Iowa in Iowa City last year, and was bringing in a massive influx of talent. Why wouldn't any fans expect to wax a team they beat on the road the previous year when they were playing that team at home and with a lot more talent available?

Same reason Iowa fans shouldn't have expected to wax isu in football this year, just because they did the previous 3.

just my opinion, neither team was that good this year. with both losing some solid players, I don't think its fair to simply look at just the number of players being turned over. isu's who situation right now is more suspect than iowas, and both are losing key defensive players. with as many unknowns as both teams will have, I give the his to the hone team.

I understand isu improved this year, but were still just 6-7. I think its just a little premature to start thumping chests about 9 win seasons and winning road rivalry games.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Same reason Iowa fans shouldn't have expected to wax isu in football this year, just because they did the previous 3.

just my opinion, neither team was that good this year. with both losing some solid players, I don't think its fair to simply look at just the number of players being turned over. isu's who situation right now is more suspect than iowas, and both are losing key defensive players. with as many unknowns as both teams will have, I give the his to the hone team.

I understand isu improved this year, but were still just 6-7. I think its just a little premature to start thumping chests about 9 win seasons and winning road rivalry games.

I honestly don't think they'll win 9 games. I just hope they can.

Realistically, 7 is a closer bet.

 

[Al_4_State]

Same reason Iowa fans shouldn't have expected to wax isu in football this year, just because they did the previous 3.

just my opinion, neither team was that good this year. with both losing some solid players, I don't think its fair to simply look at just the number of players being turned over. isu's who situation right now is more suspect than iowas, and both are losing key defensive players. with as many unknowns as both teams will have, I give the his to the hone team.

I understand isu improved this year, but were still just 6-7. I think its just a little premature to start thumping chests about 9 win seasons and winning road rivalry games.

I didn't think it was ridiculous for Iowa fans to expect a win against ISU at Jack Trice this year at all.

And you're right, you shouldn't just look at players leaving. That's why I mentioned Iowa losing one of the best assistant coaches in the country and a chief architect in building the program under Ferentz. Norm Parker is a tough guy to replace. MUCH tougher to replace than Tom Herman.

 

[VeloClone]

Same reason Iowa fans shouldn't have expected to wax isu in football this year, just because they did the previous 3.

just my opinion, neither team was that good this year. with both losing some solid players, I don't think its fair to simply look at just the number of players being turned over. isu's who situation right now is more suspect than iowas, and both are losing key defensive players. with as many unknowns as both teams will have, I give the his to the hone team.

I understand isu improved this year, but were still just 6-7. I think its just a little premature to start thumping chests about 9 win seasons and winning road rivalry games.

Here you talk about a lot of unknowns so you will give it to the home team. In your other post you stated matter of factly that it isn't going to happen. There is a lot of green between thinking that a team has the edge due to home field and stating matter of factly that a win by the visitor "isn't going to happen". All of that green is arrogance.


By the way, you may want to see your doctor; the way you are typing you are either posting from a mobile device or you may be having a stroke.