What would it take?

Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by superfan, Mar 3, 2010.


What needs to happen to save GMac's job?

  1. Nothing. His job should be safe.

    49 vote(s)
  2. Beat KSU (Top 25 team on the road)

    3 vote(s)
  3. Win game in Big XII Tournament (likely Texas)

    11 vote(s)
  4. Make Big XII Tournament Semifinals

    21 vote(s)
  5. Be invited to the NIT

    11 vote(s)
  6. Deep NIT run

    9 vote(s)
  7. Win Big XII Tournament (lose 1st round NCAA's)

    33 vote(s)
  8. Win a game in the NCAA Tournament

    8 vote(s)
  9. Make Sweet 16

    4 vote(s)
  10. Make Final Four

    2 vote(s)
  11. Win the whole ******* thing

    9 vote(s)
  12. Nothing. He should be fired regardless.

    44 vote(s)
  13. Other (please specify)

    2 vote(s)
  1. superfan

    superfan Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2006
    AST, GN&C
    League City, TX
    #1 superfan, Mar 3, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2010
    "Well then, I guess there's only one thing left to do [...] Win the whole ******* thing."
    -Jake Taylor, Major League, 1989

    With all the talk, rumors, and speculation about GMac's (pending?) firing, I was wondering about something today during my run. If he and the team truly "know it's over" at the end of the season, there is a possibility (albeit improbable) that the team gets a "Win one for the Gipper" attitude and goes on a hot streak (much like what happened with DMac against Mizzou in 2006). As a result, there could be an (even bigger) argument among the fans...was it a fluke or did the team really turn a corner?

    So, my question to you, CycloneFanatics, is a hypothetical one:

    Put aside speculation, and let's assume that at this moment, Greg McDermott will indeed be terminated at the end of the season. With two (guaranteed) games to go, what, in your opinion, would the MBB team have to do from this point forward to save GMac's job?

    Poll will be posted momentarily. Each option builds on the last, and yes, I realize most (all?) of these are unrealistic.
  2. Iastfan112

    Iastfan112 Well-Known Member

    Apr 14, 2006
    Realistically I think Mac is around next season. If I had my druthers his job would be safe(for now) as long as we make a postseason tournament.
  3. BigBake

    BigBake Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    Programming monkey
    pulling a rabbit out of a hat and making NCAA tourney by winning big 12 tourney would buy him at least a couple years if I'm AD.

    Not real worried that it will happen though.
  4. Stingray

    Stingray Member

    Dec 26, 2008
    Ames, IA
    He needs to give us something to believe in for next year. It will take more than 1 Big 12 tourney win to convince me. IMO he needs to win 3 more games this year to generate some momentum for next years ticket sales. I do not see this team winning another game though. Hope I am wrong.:sad:
  5. Drive4cy

    Drive4cy Well-Known Member

    Nov 17, 2006
    He's probably doomed, regardless of what happens. I think we all know in our hearts that our season will end next Wednesday. Unless we take the 6 seed to OT, then maybe early Thursday morning.

    I would really love to see us get a win down in KC but considering we might have Texas waiting for us doesn't make me too optimistic. Anyone but them and I think we could get a win. Lord knows we're due.
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  6. cyclones500

    cyclones500 Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    You're right about the improbability, but I love this poll, because I've been thinking about this very thing for the last month or so.

    I think Pollard has made up his mind one way or the other. I voted Sweet 16, and even that is a fleeting notion

    The unlikely scenario that gets ISU an automatic bid would result in a 12 or 13 seed. So an S-16 means they probably beat at least 3, maybe 4 Big 12 tournament teams, then knocked off a 4/5, at worst, in Round 1.

    If Pollard figured the financial difficulty prevented him from canning the coach, this would be a dream scenario — he could say, "It took a while, but it's going to pay off, and this is a reason to get excited for the future" (never mind that, if this bizarro-world thing took place, Brackins & Gilstrap would for sure be gone).

    An unlikely run like that would be fun for me, as a longtime ISU fan. The realistic side of me says, "Will I have to wade through another 4 years of mediocrity for a something like this, and then only because of a miracle finish?"

    It's a fun thought experiment, but considering ISU has won exactly 2 Big 12 tournament games in the last decade, under 3 coaches (including a loss as a 1 seed) ... I honestly couldn't change my mind at this point for any reason.
  7. mcblogerson

    mcblogerson Well-Known Member

    Jan 19, 2009
    I felt at the beginning of the year we needed to at least make the NIT, or land Harrison Barnes. Our record is too bad to make the NIT, and I wouldn't expect that we'll win one game in the Big12 tourney, let alone win it all.

    I thought he was a good hire at the time, but 4 years in, you can't have that much "bad luck". He brought in some pretty talented players but I think the problem is he's not good at the actual coaching part.
  8. kg-cyclone

    kg-cyclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    IMO, we need to stay the course and keep working towards getting better.
  9. Toasted40

    Toasted40 Member

    Feb 23, 2010

    See this is where I am confused. What exactly IS the course?

    I mean we have seen so many reaches in recruiting, and we have seen those players leave, either by choice or Greg running them off. Then there are others that can play, and just leave. There is no foundation here, no stability.

    Now, the program is in so unstable, after four years, that we are now going juco crazy, that seems pretty damn desperate to me. So where does it get better?

    I am asking questions. I am fairly certain that Greg will be back on the sidelines next year as the head coach at Iowa State. You can see that fewer and fewer people are even taking the time to complain about not being able to get a shot off in the last 17 seconds of the game Wednesday. It will be worse next year.

    The good will, patience is gone. He has to win. Do you guarantee that we will win next year?
  10. kg-cyclone

    kg-cyclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    I won't and can't guarantee anything...Unstable???....huh, no.
  11. larrysarmy

    larrysarmy Active Member

    Apr 11, 2006

    Would it be a stretch to say that we will be a better team - w/o CB? Or is he a sacred cow that can't be talked about.
  12. Toasted40

    Toasted40 Member

    Feb 23, 2010

    Then why all of the jucos the last two years? Where is the "program building" in bringing in over half your class in juco's the other half are projects or red-shirt candidates.

    People on here have tried to blame the assistants who recruit as the problem (not me), but if this is what the "plan" is, then maybe they are right.

    I said something about how Mac's recruiting at UNI made sense. David Gruber became Eric Coleman who would have become Jordan Egelseder. Matt Schniderman became Grant Stout who became Adam Koch.

    Why haven't we seen that here? What is the plan? Point to one thing in this program that you can see as a positive going forward.

    I would appreciate real answers, I think many others feel the same way. Greg hasn't given voice to that yet. "Trust me" is not a strategy.
  13. kg-cyclone

    kg-cyclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    Phillips - Too good not to take
    Gilstrap - Clearly had a hole to fill and was worth the chance.

    Wilkins (3 years)

    Your big argument is 4 guys in two years(to date)? Taking the best talent available...nothing more to it.
  14. Toasted40

    Toasted40 Member

    Feb 23, 2010
    Four years of losing basketball means noone is sacred.

    I will start with the obvious question. Where do the points come from? This team has a hard time scoring as it is.

    And this was the case against every good team we played when we had a full compliment of players.
  15. dtclones

    dtclones Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Des Moines
    This program is absolutely unstable. If it were stable, we wouldn't have to worry about players who aren't going to the NBA coming back for next season.
  16. kg-cyclone

    kg-cyclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    No...The program wasn't stable when Mac took the job and some people want to revert back after getting some stability. Just doesn't make sense.
  17. Toasted40

    Toasted40 Member

    Feb 23, 2010
    No, my big argument is that this program is in 11th place in the Big 12 in the fourth year that Greg has been here. Your plea is to stay the course. Why is that a good idea?

    I appreciate that you are trying to answer the details. I am sure that is easier. With Wilkins that is five in two years. Colvin is a back up who gets minutes, but other than Wesley Johnson, freshmen haven't exactly thrived in Mac's system here.
  18. WalkingCY

    WalkingCY Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Kansas City
    Fire this guy. We won't win another game this season either.
  19. Toasted40

    Toasted40 Member

    Feb 23, 2010

    And I will ask again, HOW is the program stable?

    I'm sure it is more stable than when Mac came in and everybody left. But that trend has continued each of the years that he has been here.

    But that to me doesn't mean that it's stable. And with the lack of success, where is the hope?
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  20. kg-cyclone

    kg-cyclone Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    Wilkins is very talented 3 year Juco...I can live with 5.

    Very few "freshman" thrive in any system.

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